PCPS Light: Listen To Your Meds
Michelle Newman 0:00
Welcome, everyone, to another one of our light episodes, refreshing and light on preparation and editing, but hopefully not on content.
Kristin Nilsen 0:09
No promises,
Michelle Newman 0:10
and if you're just finding us during our light episodes, these are shorter and off the cuff conversations we have in between seasons, while we're planning and researching our next season's episodes, and if you are just finding us, lucky you, because we have over 260 episodes to keep you entertained until season 19 begins sometime in the next handful of weeks. We don't know for sure, but stay tuned, we'll let you know, so often these light episodes, the topics come to us just from social media or an article, and this was an Instagram post that I saw, and I immediately thought of, I don't know, probably about 10 episodes, we've already recalled it, where we talked about this, and it's a lady, and she's in the car, and she's singing along, and the words over her head say, my therapist told me about that nostalgic reset, and it's completely changed the way I manage anxiety, and I was like, nostalgia reset, well, that sounds something like the Pop Culture Preservation Society, and the caption says, and this is where those of you who have been longtime listeners, you're gonna.. this is gonna sound familiar to you, because we talk about this in so many of our music episodes. She says the science is actually wild on this one. When you listen to music from your past, middle school, high school, that one summer, your brain floods with dopamine and oxytocin at the same time. That combo is basically your nervous system's version of a weighted blanket. It's not living in the past. It's called autobiographical memory recall, and researchers have found it measurably reduces loneliness, lowers cortisol, and increases feelings of continuity, aka the feeling that your life makes sense. So that old playlist you haven't listened to in 20 years, it's medicine, and she says, I now keep a reset playlist for hard days songs that are tied to memories where I felt safe, free, or just really, really happy, 10 minutes, no phone scrolling, just the music. It works faster than almost anything else I've tried. Mic drop, walk away, yeah. Full stop. Period. At the end of that whole caption,
Kristin Nilsen 2:37
right? It is. It's what we've talked about so often in that it's not just that old people like their own music, like, oh, kids today, their music is so bad, and it's not about being a fuddy duddy, it's not about not being open-minded, it's not even about nostalgia, it's not claiming that one person's music is better than another. It's that something is happening in your brain when you listen to your own music from when you were growing up,
Michelle Newman 3:08
and we've referred to it a lot of times, and that we didn't come up with this, but they call it the reminiscence bump, remember, and it's that music that you were exposed to between, I want to say, it's like 12 and 14,
Kristin Nilsen 3:23
it's 12 and like 16, but yeah, peak of it is at 14,
Michelle Newman 3:27
and they're talking about, I think, this this person is talking about that in this this caption I just read, but I think it also can transcend into, like, for me, for sure, it's college, it's high school, it's college, it can be middle school, it can also be the playlist, you know. I lived in Minnesota for 22 years, and for 14 of those, 15 of those, we had a cabin, and it's the playlists we played every summer at the lake when my kids were little. Now, I wasn't between 14 and 17 years old, but, like she says, in this, it's those you go back, it harkens back to a time you felt happy or safe or loved, and so anytime, and I love that my kids have that too, you know, like anytime, like they'll say, "Oh, when we hear Zach Brown band, that's the cabin, you know, or something like that, because we always had that kind of music playing, so it doesn't have to just be your 80s pop, it can be any music, and you guys, I, it is medicine.
Michelle Newman 4:26
Yeah,
Michelle Newman 4:26
I don't know about you, but I would say probably four or five days a week. I don't know if it's in the car or if it's just at home. Yesterday morning it was when I was changing the sheets. I put on one of these songs, or put on this playlist I have, and I, there is no stopping the dance, there is no stopping the singing, there is no stopping, and it's, it really doesn't matter how you feel, it gets me out of any type of just low moment slump, I full.
Kristin Nilsen 5:00
Believe in music as medicine. Well, how is that any different from think about advice you've gotten from therapists or advice that your kids have gotten from therapists when you're in the throes of an episode of a moment of anxiety, and what they tell you to do is to stop. You need to get out of that moment, so they feel your feet on the ground, find two things that you, that you see that are the color blue. You know what smells do you smell? All of that is making you stop whatever it is you're doing and thinking and be in the moment, and that's the same thing that those songs are doing.
Carolyn Cochrane 5:36
Yes, and they're having, as the caption said, a chemical, your body is having a chemical reaction, so this isn't just made up, like there's science behind this, and I loved how she said, you know, it lowers cortisol, because I can tell you personally, with the life I've been leading for the past year, let's say between the wedding and the move, and this country I live in this kind of almost constant state of being like alert, and there's this sense of urgency, and sometimes it really peaks, and I can just feel it in my body, and so when we were preparing for this episode, I thought I'm gonna put together a specific playlist, and I'm, and I called it the Cortisol Cleanse, and so I can play, and in parentheses it says, 'Calm down, Carolyn.
Michelle Newman 6:27
I actually have a playlist called 'Calm the Fuck Down. Yeah,
Carolyn Cochrane 6:31
and so, while the songs won't necessarily make me like get up and dance or whatever, they are that that weighted blanket that makes me want to do the thing you just said, Kristen. Just stop and pause and notice, and just exhale. I mean, that's the.. it's just this giant kind of a thing. And so, yeah, so there's now a playlist, just specifically for when I need to calm the fuck down, or just get rid of that, like you know your heart's kind of going, and you feel like, what am I forgetting, what's going on. Okay, I've got to do this, I've got to do that. And for me, I think I'm normally wired a little bit at that level to begin with, so it doesn't take much to just put me over the top, and this has really proven to be medicinal for me, even putting it together, because I would say, what about that song, and I listened to it, and I'd be like, I mean, I love that song, but it's not that feeling I want to get. So it was specifically curated when we're going to talk about our songs,
Michelle Newman 7:33
but I think you bring up a good point, because, like, I just said, you know, there are certain songs that I can't, I will, the dance will come out of me no matter what, but it doesn't have to be that kind of that's not what this means, like if you're listening and you're like, I don't really like those types of boppy songs, it doesn't have to be that, like I have reset playlists for all different types of situations, like sort of like you have meds for all different types of right, yeah, I have playlists that for a different situation, because certainly there are times, maybe when you're feeling stressed or you're feeling anxious out of it, and let's hear it for the boys, just not gonna do it, but you know a carpenter song is, or an Anne Murray song is, so it, that's such a good point that it can also be something that, like you said, is a weighted blanket. I like how you said that, because that's.. I definitely have songs that are like that, and that's so different from some of these other songs I'm going to share with you all in just a little bit. Yeah, I think it can be whatever, whatever meds you need at the time, and you know, music therapy is becoming a really big career choice for people. We have a good family friend, and she just got her master's. She graduated, and she's also a great musician, so that helps, right? So she plays the guitar, she has a beautiful singing voice. And right before she graduated, she was over having dinner, and I was asking her about some of her classes and her finals, and they literally have to go, so she just actually, she now got a job at a hospital in Orlando, and that's great, she works for like a healthcare team, so she, they kind of roam the halls with their guitars, the hospitals, and one of the things they had to do as a final is they had to have, it was something ridiculous, like 75 songs in their repertoire, in their like catalog, and they were going to go into a room and sit down, and the instructors were going to just start lobbing songs at them. Can you play James Taylor? Can you play Carolyn King? Can you play Pink? Can you play Taylor Swift? Can you play from everything, because their job is, I mean, this whole music as medicine is so valid because they're going to go into hospital rooms and it could be a five year old, it could be a 26 year old, it could be an 85 year old, and would you like to hear some music today? It literally is proven to lower their blood pressure to what. So you have these, these music therapists have to know how to perform, and they have to know how to play an instrument, and they have to know how, you know, if someone came in my hospital room, you better, you better believe I'm saying, yeah, can you play, you know, a song from the Carpenters, or whatever, and
Kristin Nilsen 10:14
imagine now, like, add to her list of skills, she's going to go into that hospital room, and she's going to assess that person's age. Now that we have this information, assess that person's age. And so, when you walk into my room, what if she pulled out landslide? She just says, "Hmm, 58. All right, I'm gonna pull out landslide. And imagine a lot of this has to do with the time in which we live, not just what's happening in our country, but also our media landscape, so we are inundated 24 hours a day in a way that we never were before. There was the 6o'clock news, and there was the 10 o'clock news, and then you had the daily newspaper, and then so you chose when you would engage with the news. Now we are engaging with the news all day long, and we have a compulsion to feed ourselves, you know, whether it's on social media or or podcasts or whatever, or I have a compulsion about catching certain things on TV at night just to catch the headlines and how they regurgitate or interpret or whatever the headlines, but I'm like, Kristen, how many times a day are you going to have somebody interpret the headlines for you? What if you replaced four of those with listening to music? What if you just engaged with news twice a day and the other four are music?
Michelle Newman 11:37
Well, and I, you bring up a good point, like you said, and you can't get away from it. How in the past we could choose whether or not we wanted to read the paper, and you can't get away from it, but yes, you can, and that's called putting your phone down.
Speaker 1 11:50
Yes,
Michelle Newman 11:51
because
Michelle Newman 11:51
where are we getting all this? We're getting it on our phones. And also, Carolyn, I wanted to go back to when I just love the whole music as a weighted blanket. Yeah, you know, what would be one of mine on that type of playlist, or if I was really, really ill and someone came in with a guitar, wouldn't it be amazing if you said, could you play the themed a little house on the prairie?
Michelle Newman 12:11
Well, I've got, hold on, let me go get a French horn from the
Michelle Newman 12:18
beginning, or whatever that is.
Carolyn Cochrane 12:19
No, I almost put that on my list. I do have some TV theme songs. Actually,
Michelle Newman 12:23
I was gonna see on my
Carolyn Cochrane 12:24
list,
Michelle Newman 12:25
I think I'm gonna add on. We're gonna listeners, we're about to share some lists with you, but I feel like I want to add, like, the One Day at a Time theme song.
Carolyn Cochrane 12:34
How about the theme from Eight is Enough? That's on my list.
Michelle Newman 12:36
Yes, and the theme from Family Ties, Johnny Mathis and Denise Williams, what would we do, baby, without our gosh. Okay, so listeners, we thought it would be really fun today, much like we do in some of our music episodes that we know you all love, like where we say on your FM dial, 1983 and we all pick songs from that year and share them with you. We thought it would be fun to share some of the songs that are on our reset playlist, or whatever you want to call it,
Kristin Nilsen 13:06
which we created right after this post, like we immediately, we were like, "Yes, I'm gonna create a playlist.
Michelle Newman 13:11
Yeah, and so we're gonna talk to you a little bit about why we chose some of the songs we did, and encourage you all to come up with your own
Kristin Nilsen 13:20
reset play, that's gonna be your homework. After this, is you're gonna make your own remains
Carolyn Cochrane 13:24
fired after here.
Kristin Nilsen 13:26
So, like I said, we immediately had the compulsion, the obsession, like quickly. We all grabbed our phones and we started creating our own mental health playlist. I named mine Retro Reset, and you know, we talked about what these songs are for, and what they do, and so my, my criteria was that the song gave me, to use Michelle's words, that funny feeling in my tummy, the twisty feeling in my tummy. So these weren't just songs like, "Oh, I love that song, or "That's a feel-good song. That wasn't what it was at all, it was something that gave me a twisty feeling, and I think what that twisty feeling is, is time travel, and we've talked about that before in several episodes, where there are certain songs where you can feel that you were in that time, like, oh God, this is just, I can see him sitting at my desk in school, and blah blah blah, it takes you to a different time, so some songs are more transportive than others. When I started making a list of the songs that gave me the twisty feeling in my, in my tummy, it's funny, a lot of them were not songs that I would have even told you that I liked. That's not the criteria, it's not that I disliked them, I never would have said, "Oh, I love that's all" by Phil Collins, but I do get a twisty feeling in my tummy, so it goes on the list. So then, when I analyze all these songs, it is very clear that they are coming from a micro period, a very specific period of time, for the most part, and that is 1983 1984 and that corresponds. This all makes so much sense, you guys, this is. Science 1983 1984 would be that moment in time where I am standing on the precipice, I'm standing at the cliff of adolescence, I have one foot in childhood, I have one foot in adolescence, and I'm starting to pick up that foot in childhood, and I'm bringing it over into adolescence, I'm starting high school, and that's what every single one of these had in common. So, I changed, not changed, that's not it. I grew up very, very quickly leaving junior high and going to high school, and suddenly I felt no need to be the high achiever anymore. I felt more like I needed to have fun, and that was going to be my priority, and I did a great job, but that doesn't mean that this period of time was all fun and games. It was also super confusing, it was terrifying, it was heartbreaking. And so I had to ask myself these questions. When I'm putting these songs on the list, I'm like, this was a really hard time for you. Why do you want to be reminded of this time period, fun is not enough. Fun is not enough. There was a lot going on, and I realized that it kind of felt like a victory lap that you made it through something that was difficult, and you came out on the other side of it, and here you are, so many years later, a fully formed human being. It's almost like music can reveal your full human experience, and you landed in a really great place, and look how you took care of yourself. All these hard things happen to you, and look how you took care of yourself, and you made it to the other side, and you're a happy person. Oh, humans are funny. Okay, so all that is to say, I have - I have 50 songs on my list. I'm not going to read them all to you. And remember, this is a light episode, so we're not putting any clips. Sorry, everybody. We're gonna, we're just gonna go through them. Maybe Carolyn will get to choose one to put at the end. The producer will choose one song.
Michelle Newman 16:53
Oh, that would be fun. Yeah, she each producer be a mystery. And we also have a timer. Don't forget.
Kristin Nilsen 16:58
Yes. Okay. So I'm just gonna go through some of the ones that give me the twistiest feeling, and I'm not even really going to tell you why. Sometimes I will, but I'm not even really going to tell you why. Just know that they give me a twisty feeling. Okay, here are some of the highlights. Pyt by Michael Jackson, owner of a lonely heart by Yes, Tender Love by The Force MDs, Crush on You by The Jets Against All Odds by Phil Collins. I really felt like my own heart was breaking when that song was on. I think I'm being broken up with right now. Do you really want to hurt me by Culture Club? To shy shy by Kaja Goo Goo. She's a beauty by The Tubes, Promises, Promises by Naked Eyes, Family Man by Holland Oates, photograph by Def Leppard, past the Duchy on the Left Hand Side by Musical Youth, Say Say by Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney, Missing You by John Waite, The Glamorous Life by Sheila E, Oh Sherry by Steve Perry, Sister Christian Night Ranger Break In There's No Stopping Us from the soundtrack of Break In, not Electric Boogaloo, that's the sequel. So, yeah, of course, that's from the movie Break In. Ask me if I have the soundtrack. Of course, I do. Of course, I have that soundtrack. Yamo Be There by James Ingram, DMSR by Prince, and yesterday, as we record this, yesterday was the 10th anniversary of Prince's death, which is now going to probably going to be like a state holiday at some point, and I am laughing. So, yesterday radio stations were playing literally 100% Prince all day long. We were all taking a bath in Prince music yesterday, and as I'm listening to these songs, I am laughing at how dirty they are, and how my parents never said a word. Like, I'm playing this in the living room, there are literally like sex noises, like fuck me noises in these songs, and my parents are saying, and I'm just like dance music, sex, romance. I'm just singing along. No parking on the dance floor by Midnight Star, which we thought we were so clever and hilarious by singing no fucking on the dance floor. Oh, we're so funny, we're so original. And then the companion to that song is Freakazoid, also by Midnight Star. Everybody wants to rule the world by Tears for Fears, Erotic City by Prince. Again, so dirty, you guys, so so dirty. Might be in the title, it's so, so dirty. And yesterday, again, everyone's posting about Prince like crazy. They're posting their memories, they're posting their memories of the day he died. And I just have to read you this quote from a woman, her name is Sean, and she said, "My favorite thing about Prince is obviously the music, but somewhere in the top 10 is the way this tiny purple iconoclast, this sexy black funk machine, is white Nordic Minnesota's favorite son, and I loved him like crazy.
Michelle Newman 20:00
Oh, that is actually kind of funny.
Michelle Newman 20:02
It is
Kristin Nilsen 20:02
so funny. All these white suburban people, like, we just can't get enough. Oh, and then, okay, my last three are: It's My Life by Talk Talk, Lover Girl by Tina Marie, and I Feel For You by Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan,
Michelle Newman 20:17
Chaka Khan. I love it. Take you it.
Kristin Nilsen 20:27
All of that brings me to a very, very specific moment in time, and, like I said, it feels like a victory lap.
Carolyn Cochrane 20:36
I love
Michelle Newman 20:36
it. Carolyn, what about you?
Carolyn Cochrane 20:37
Yeah, so
Michelle Newman 20:38
what is on your weighted blanket?
Michelle Newman 20:40
Yes,
Carolyn Cochrane 20:40
my weighted blanket list, and that's exactly what this is. So, it is music from all different times, but just again, I said I played some of these songs, and if it did what I wanted it to do, and basically that was exhale. If it felt like that blanket, and the permission to just be and just sit, that's kind of what I wanted to get. So, here are a few that are on my list. We've got Sunshine on My Shoulders by John Denver, I Honestly Love You by Olivia Newton John, One More Night by Phil Collins, Weekend in New England by Barry Manilow, You're Only Human by Billy Joel, I write the songs. Believe it or not, the theme from Greatest American Hero, of course. Yes, sing from the Carpenters, still from the Commodores.
Kristin Nilsen 21:32
Oh God, that's
Carolyn Cochrane 21:34
against all odds like you, Kristen. I got, we had that, we had I've got Back in the high life again by Steve Winwood. All I need is a miracle by Mike and the mechanics. I said that somewhere down the road, Olivia Newton John, and that's my list. I did not have quite as many, because I figured, kind of like the woman said, too, in the caption, sometimes you just need 10 minutes, like this isn't a running playlist that's going to motivate me to get to the next mile. This is that, yeah, just to kind of recalibrate, get everything settled, and so it might be 10 minutes and I hear five of these songs or something, but that's what those do for me.
Michelle Newman 22:20
My weighted blanket song, mine are like that too.
Carolyn Cochrane 22:23
Yeah, and
Michelle Newman 22:24
care, Carol, you know, your 45 year old alter ego, when you were, you know, 12, would get along so well with, did we did we name mine Marlene? Yeah, with mine, because I was so into those, so I did the same thing. I have about five that are on every playlist I have, I don't care what kind it is, but I basically picked reset songs that are, yes, mostly from high school and early college years, and these are songs that just I do have two types of lists, I have one that does just fill me with so much like dopamine, serotonin, and oxytocin, those are all the feel-good neurotransmitters, and don't test me on which one does what, because I always forget. I know serotonin or dopamine is the one that's reward, like very quick, like for me dopamine hit is going into Michael's or a scrap letter sticker store or a needlepoint store, that's my dopamine, I know that because it's very like reward, reward, but these songs, this first few I'm going to share with you are songs that I will never, never not bop to, and that I won't smile and dance and sing really loudly to, and my number one on that list, no question, no discussion is, and also, listen, listeners, no judgment
Michelle Newman 23:44
again.
Michelle Newman 23:44
I always sort of feel like they're like Michelle listens to such dorky music. I don't care, because my number one, no question, I could listen to it 100 times a day for the rest of my life, is Rhythm of the Night by Debarge. Oh, that is my walk-up song. That is my, you know, how they say you need a walk-up song when you're walking up to bat, that's what would be playing. And what's funny is that one day when we were on the lake years ago, and we were all talking about our walk-up songs with our girls, and I was doing one of those.. I don't know, I don't know, and then they were like, 'Mom, like, this is how much I play this song. They're like, 'What are you talking about? Your walk-up song is Rhythm of the night, that is everything that encapsulates you, because I love it. Yeah, also, but very close tie would be either one of these two songs from Wham, which would either be I'm your man or freedom on this very poppy boppy one that just gets, just pulls me out and makes me have a sunshiny day, no matter what, would also be let's hear it for the boy, Kerma Chameleon. How will I know by Whitney Houston? That is a real.. that's one that one day I'm gonna do a lip sync contest with. I love that one. Sometimes by erasure, that's a nod to college, as is, hey, jealousy, that's a nod to college, and just memories that I have tied to, and. Brian and I were dating Rio vacation crush on you. What have I done to deserve this by the Pet Shop Boys? I love that one. And then I have had for a really long time this whole calm the fuck down playlist that when you started talking I was like, well, that's exactly what this is. This is my this is the playlist I will play as soon as I board an airplane every single time, so what does that tell you? This is without even thinking I created this playlist for a dentist appointment for when I'm like it's just been a really rough day, but I don't want to bop around to you know I'm your man, and so Carolyn, when you said that about the weighted blankets, I blanket, I pulled it up on my phone, my calm the fuck down playlist, and listened to these songs, and you know, I was doing this, I did this years ago without even really knowing the science behind it, because these are the first few songs on that playlist, it's longer than this, but you guys will get that, that's what that's the purpose this playlist serves for me. Could I have this dance by Anne Murray, Glory of Love by Peter Saterra. Again, no judgment. Don't cry out loud, Melissa. How deep is your love? The Bee Gees. I need to be in love. The Carpenters, two out of three ain't bad. Meatloaf, Precious and Few, Climax. Those are just the first songs on the list that will always be in my ears when I have a dental appointment or procedure. We're
Kristin Nilsen 26:29
doing.. you didn't even know you, but you know, taking care of yourself. See, humans are really awesome. You just have to listen, people, just listen to your inner voice in your head. Yeah, but
Michelle Newman 26:38
it's my airplane mix, it's my.. and the other ones that I read, like the rhythm of the night, like I said, those songs are on. I have playlists called Feel Good, called Happy, called, you know, Bop, and whatever, but I, but I had to last night put them in a special. I looked through all those playlists, but this, this like weighted blanket one, yeah, is one that I've, I don't even have to think of, and what's funny is when you go to it, it's all songs from my childhood, basically.
Kristin Nilsen 27:06
Isn't that interesting? Because you weren't instructed to do that, you weren't like saying I'm gonna pick songs from my childhood that make me feel better. No, it was just songs that make you feel better.
Michelle Newman 27:15
But I think the point of this conversation today, and like she calls it in the the post that that I read earlier, autobiographical memory recall.
Kristin Nilsen 27:25
Yeah, that's autobiographical memory recall. Yeah,
Michelle Newman 27:29
and it says it increases feelings of continuity, aka the feeling that your life makes sense. Okay, because we're connecting, right? We're connecting with this younger us, with this unencumbered us, or whatever, and it's helping, it's helping almost like level everything, right, level, or like, yeah, level all the levels. What do I want to say? Equalize, even let's say equalize all the levels
Kristin Nilsen 27:55
to me, and my twisty feeling in my tummy, because that time was not necessarily all fun and games, it was really, really confusing and terrifying. Also, and think about it, that's the first time when you're like going on dates and getting broken up with, or you know, all of that stuff. And I didn't know how to do any of it, so all of it is terrifying. I had no, I had no confidence in how to do anything in the realm of what it means to be an adolescent, everything was trial and error, you were always stepping in it, but the when she says it gives you a sense of your life making sense and a sense of continuity, that's why I can revisit that time and what it tells me is you did it and you're gonna be okay, yes, gonna be okay, everything's gonna be okay. It's been hard before, and it was okay. It's hard now. It's gonna be okay.
Michelle Newman 28:46
Well, once again, listeners, we, as we wrap this up, we want to encourage you to please make playlists like this for yourself, and you, you probably already have them, or you have many of these songs on other playlists, but make maybe one that is only like 15 minutes long, and I think this week we're gonna have a post on social media where we're gonna ask you, what are your songs that are your medicine, because it would be really fun to see what everybody, how many other carols and her wingset
Kristin Nilsen 29:18
songs,
Michelle Newman 29:19
anything goes, no judgment, and
Michelle Newman 29:21
also
Michelle Newman 29:21
as we all get older, like, I have to, I still have to do this. Don't judge yourself. Like I said, there I go. Oh, but you know what? I love it. I'm putting theme songs on mine. I'm, yeah, if Musik Box Dancer is on mine, that's fine.
Kristin Nilsen 29:34
Remember, liked it's not your favorite song. And so, oftentimes, when we're trying to share songs with other people, we are trying to be highbrow and show that we were part of this music snobby community, or I knew about the cure before you did,
Michelle Newman 29:49
or just I was like, you don't have to have a whole bunch of cure
Kristin Nilsen 29:53
songs, you don't, this is not about that, this is about a gut reaction to whatever gives you the feeling. You need in any moment you need, and if that's let's hear it for the boy, then God bless you. Yes,
Carolyn Cochrane 30:05
amen. Exactly, because your body, as I've learned in therapy, reacts before your mind ever does. So, if you are getting that, you know they call it somatic, so if you're getting that feeling when that song is on, no matter what that song is, you can't deny that your body reacted, and so not, don't be ashamed of that, like
Kristin Nilsen 30:28
that.
Michelle Newman 30:28
It's the same way with your meds. Don't ever be ashamed of what meds you use, right? Don't be ashamed of what music meds you take either. So, anyway, thanks so much, everyone. And go listen to some music and feel great today.
Kristin Nilsen 30:41
In the meantime, let's raise our glasses for a toast, courtesy of the Cast of Threes Company. Two good times,
Michelle Newman 30:48
two happy days,
Carolyn Cochrane 30:49
to Little House on the Prairie. Cheers.