Linger a Little Longer at the PCPS Camp Singalong!
Michelle Newman
Big globs of greasy, grimy. Go for guts, mutilated monkey meat, chopped up baby Turkey, feet, great, big globs of greasy Grammy. Go for guts and I forgot my spoon.
Unknown Speaker
Hello World is a song that we're singing. Come on, get happy. Whole lot of love, and it's what we'll be bringing will make you happy.
Kristin Nilsen
Welcome to the pop culture Preservation Society, the podcast for people born in the big wheel generation who save their money for the latest technology, maybe Merlin, the electronic wizard, a Speak and Spell, or the high tech light and sound extravaganza known as Simon.
Michelle Newman
We believe our Gen X childhoods gave us unforgettable songs, stories, characters and images, and if we don't talk about them, they'll disappear like Marshall will and Holly on a routine expedition.
Carolyn Cochrane
And today, we'll be saving the songs that celebrated ants, bears, bunnies, hot dogs, Fords, country roads, jet planes, hammers and a lot of wind. Welcome to the PCPs camp. Sing along. I'm Carolyn,
Michelle Newman
I'm Kristen, and I'm Michelle, and we are your pop culture preservationists.
Kristin Nilsen
Okay, I want you guys to notice that I have come dressed today as Kristen from camp. I
Unknown Speaker
love it. Look love it. I have to take
Kristin Nilsen
my headphones off so you can see my bandana.
Michelle Newman
Yes, under the ponytails, under the dog. Yes, I've
Kristin Nilsen
got the ponytails the dog years, as Michelle calls them. And this is, I have to tell you, this is the actual bandana.
Carolyn Cochrane
Well, you write that before. I can't believe that. Well, listeners, those of you who want to see all that, we're gonna have video now of our episodes up on YouTube. So if you want to see the decades old kerchief that, oh God, so many decades is dawning, so many
Kristin Nilsen
decades, head over to YouTube. This is like 1976 bandana, and I got my ringer tea. Sister, yeah, powerful, yeah. This is I'm dressed as myself today, which is always a great Halloween costume to come as yourself.
Michelle Newman
Yes, I love that. I want to have one of those parties one day where you come as a different age of yourself. You know, one,
Kristin Nilsen
one of my friends, was going to have a party where you came as your mom. Oh, jeez. So do that have a party where everybody comes dressed as themselves? So the seeds of this episode today were planted 20 years ago in a long distance phone call I had with my friend Colleen. Colleen and I did not go to camp together, but what happened on that phone call made one thing very clear, camp songs are not just Beloved. They are also universal, because we spent an hour on the phone in what was basically a telephone sing along, and we had to pay for that. This was long distance, right? How much did an hour long conversation cost back then? But one of us would start singing a song, and then the other one would start singing along, oh, my God, it wasn't 20 years ago. I bet it was 30 years ago, you guys. It was so long ago. And remember, we did not go to camp together, but we did go at the same time, and that might have a lot to do with it, which means that this episode could be super Husker dewy for people. So in general, camp songs are easy to teach, easy to learn, and you don't have to be a good singer to sing them. So even if you didn't go to camp, it's possible you learned these songs somewhere else. You were in Sunday school, or it was Cub Scouts or blue birds or brownies, or even at school, on the playground or detention or something. Use that
Unknown Speaker
class. Yeah, yes.
Carolyn Cochrane
And thank goodness you did not have to be a good singer to sing them, because I love these songs, and who knows, listeners you might get to hear us, you know, singing a few bars of some of these, and they've heard, they've heard.
Michelle Newman
They know what they're getting into, actually, if they're still listening to this episode, knowing what the topic is there, they know that's very true. Wow. Thank you. We appreciate that. There will be singing.
Carolyn Cochrane
Okay, you guys. You might not know this, but camp songs first became a thing right around the turn of the century. Yes, the 20th century, guys. Now we have to clarify which turn of the century. Oh my gosh, so so wrong on so many levels. And this is when the National Park movement was in full swing. Yellowstone was the first national park, and that sparked interest in spending more time outdoors. And with the creation of. Every new National Park, more families were starting to look to the outdoors for their family vacations, and one of the most treasured parts of the summer camp experience became the singing around the campfire
Michelle Newman
for me especially, and you'll hear my stories in a minute, but I know for so many of you listening, your summer camp experiences are centered around scouts. So the first girl scout camp was held in 1912 the first boy scout camp was in 1910 the first campfire girl camp was also in 1910 all during the same time. And the reason the singing became such an important part of these camps is because singing something together with a group, is a bonding experience, isn't it? We bond every time we all try to see of us bond. It's true also. Let me clarify, just for listeners, we've said this in my end times, but we have to, because we we don't want you to think we're really bad singers because we're not. We're really good singers. But for some reason, since we all record in different places, and my case, a different state. When we all try to sing together, when you hear it, it doesn't, it doesn't make us sound like we're together. Do you know? I mean, we're all but when we're together in person, damn, you should hear
Carolyn Cochrane
us. Oh, my goodness, we're good. If you remember, I talked about how powerful that experience at free to be, you and me was when we were singing along with all those people. And of course, you heard me blubber through it because I couldn't quite find the words. But you guys, there's research behind this. Okay, I did a little deep dive into the psychological aspect of singing together, this communal experience. Endorphins go up singing in groups has driven social bonding since the early history of our species, even maybe before storytelling and all that kind of stuff. There was a study in 2015 that found singing together in a group forms an unusually close bond with the people, even if they've never, ever met each other before, and that doesn't normally happen if you're in the company of strangers, singing, the researchers concluded was the ultimate icebreaker. Well,
Michelle Newman
think about how to concert. Think about how you feel when you leave a concert and you've all been shout, scream, singing, yeah, whoever it is, you know you're seeing you leave, you leave almost on a high even if you know you haven't taken any substances, you leave on a high Well, I
Carolyn Cochrane
mean, to that point, they have done this research now and measured endorphins and stuff, and it is a massive display of them. I mean, they are just ignited. And I think I even talked about the zaps of joy that I felt at Freedom, you and me. I think that's what that was. It was this explosion of endorphins, and can't be created any other way, really, because also the synchronous, what's the word, like, just when you're all together singing the same? Yeah, yes, exactly. There's something powerful
Kristin Nilsen
about that. I mean, it's like, it's sort of, I think that's one big reason people like church. I mean, not everybody likes church, but a lot of people like church, and they may have a hard time saying that it is actually a religious reason. It might be that they all sing together, and then you feel really nice when you leave.
Michelle Newman
You do. I mean, you feel, you feel one with each other. It's like you're sharing a sense of purpose, and that builds a stronger community, right? Even if the song you're singing is on top of spaghetti. On top of
Kristin Nilsen
spaghetti, could be a religious experience for somebody. It can. It absolutely can, because think about when you're at camp and you're singing around the campfire, and it's fun and it's silly, but there's always one night that gets serious. Oh, you're all bonded together, and you're practicing a song. Yes, you're crying, and you're singing about something that is important. Maybe it's about love, or maybe it's about friendship, and you probably go home the next day, but you leave camp on a high, feeling like you are one, where you're best friends with these people that you met seven days ago, right?
Michelle Newman
Even if, and even sitting around the campfire, especially, it's not just around the campfire that you sing when you're at camp. You sing every time, when you're walking to from one activity the other, but that last bonding experience of singing the songs you've been singing all week. You can look across the campfire and you can see other kids that you didn't like them doesn't matter you all of a sudden, you're all just like as one. You're
Carolyn Cochrane
the great equalizer. Yeah, it doesn't matter where you lived or how much money you have or any of that stuff. We're all one
Kristin Nilsen
and you weren't looking to, you know, unlike school or something, where there might be some aspect of skill involved, and there might be some people who are who are highlighted because they're really good at singing, and maybe they get a solo that's not what it is at camp. Everybody is the same, and nobody cares if you can't sing, and most people don't notice that you can't sing. It just doesn't it. Not part of the equation, and
Carolyn Cochrane
you've got your arms around each other.
Michelle Newman
And the best part about camp songs is that they're not written so that you have to be a good singer. It's not like you're going to musical theater camp and everybody's trying to one up each other, and we'll talk about that in a minute, but it's like, this is just truly silly songs. You know, we're not singing the soundtrack from, you know, Annie or cats or whatever. We're just singing yeah on top of spaghetti or Yeah little bunny, foo, foo. We're not we're singing songs that everybody can sing, and they're silly and goofy and you laugh, and
Kristin Nilsen
we're all meeting in the same place,
Carolyn Cochrane
right? So add this to your list of cocktail party icebreakers. Yeah. What's your favorite
Michelle Newman
camp song? What's your favorite? Oh, my God, wouldn't that be such a fun listen, I was gonna say. And then what if the party turns into like, this camp song? Sing along. That's my dream party. Dream party, yep,
Kristin Nilsen
yep. And a totally dead party is now a banger, exactly. So my first camp experience was at Camp cheewin in 1976 I'm dressed as camp chewin Kristen today, and I went with my bluebird troop. I had just finished second grade, which seems really young now, but it wasn't then. I was seven years old. My parents are shipping me off overnight camp, and it was a full week. This is no three day, four day camp. This is a full week away from mommy and daddy with your pillow and everything. And we got on the bus and we rode to what I would have told you was Canada. I mean, it was far, it was a long ways away. And I find out now as an adult that that was 45 minutes away in Chisago city, Minnesota. And here's something else I learned you guys. This is I just, I literally learned this yesterday, and I'm still freaking out a little bit. So I knew that camp chewyn was no longer. It closed long ago. It closed about 20 years ago. But I've often wondered, like, what if we could go back and find it like, like archeologists on a dig of some kind? What if I gathered all of my bluebird friends together and we went and we found camp camp chi win, we found the fire circle and we had a sing along, because important things happened at Camp chi win. I made lots of God's eyes at Camp she went, Yeah, I learned how to dive. I got mosquito spray in my eye, and I had to go into town to the doctor, and I got an eye patch.
Michelle Newman
Oh, my God, that's like, that's a badge of honor. That's
Unknown Speaker
better than better than
Kristin Nilsen
crutches. Yes, you guys, I not only could be a pilot, I get the eye patch, but I had. I came back to camp in the middle of the sing along, and so I walked in, flanked by the counselors with my new eye patch. Everything stopped. Everything stopped. It was awesome. I was queen for a day. That was great. Love it. So while I was researching for this episode, I dug a little bit deeper and found out that camp cheewin was purchased by the Minneapolis YMCA and turned into camp akagawaon. I cannot, does that sound familiar to you guys?
Unknown Speaker
I know, just wait. Just wait. Okay,
Kristin Nilsen
so now camp chi win is Camp acagawin. I cannot tell you how many children, how many neighborhood kids, how many of Liam's friends? How many of my friends children went to Camp ikogawan? I can't tell you how many times I said to Liam, Liam, do you want to go to camp? Would you walk in, or itu hobby, or do you want to go to icagawan? He never said icagawan. What if he had said he could go on. And I got directions, and I started driving. And I drove in, I was like, Oh, where am I? Like, all my spidey senses would be tingling because I would be driving into camp chi win, and I wouldn't even know it.
Carolyn Cochrane
Oh, my gosh. That's right. You were so young when you went you went to, like, knowing what roads you That's right. You thought you were right, yeah. Border, oh my gosh that, yeah. I can see why you got all worked up there. I have
Kristin Nilsen
been talking about camp ocagawin With every parent on the block for 12 years, 1520, years, we've been talking about camp ocagawin. Never once knowing that it was camp chi win. So I went to Camp chi win, obviously, for a few years. And then in junior high, I went to a church camp called shores of St Andrew in New London, Minnesota. And the songs are not the same, not at all the same, and we'll get into that a little bit later. My favorite camp song ever was barges.
Unknown Speaker
Like to go with you.
Unknown Speaker
Just scared the shit out of me.
Kristin Nilsen
That's exactly how we sing.
Michelle Newman
It the way the Girl Scouts sing. It
Kristin Nilsen
is we do. Oh, no, we were very enthusiastic. Oh yeah, and it was, and we, and we got to the barges part. So, okay, Michelle, sing this. Sing the sing the chorus
Michelle Newman
part. Okay, I'll do that out of my window, looking in the night, I can see the barges flickering. Light silently goes the river to the sea as the barges to go silently
Speaker 1
bye. Treasures in your hole. Do you fight with pirates?
Michelle Newman
I'm pretty proud of myself. Y'all I do not know where those I started singing out of my all those words just came my brain somewhere. I probably have not sang that song since I was with my girls at Girl Scout camp 22 years
Carolyn Cochrane
ago. Wow. I feel like that's gonna be a little bit of this episode. And you know what else? When I heard you guys humming that earlier and kind of singing it, I was like, I don't know barges, but God by golly, I know sisters are whispers always true. For the Love lives on for the yellow and blue with our brothers all the trinityers, we will share our laughs throughout anyway, I've started to realize so many of my sorority songs, yeah,
Michelle Newman
they're remade. Yeah, just was too, but it had different words. So, yeah, if I sing out of my window, looking in the night, I can see the PI five flickering light. However, what I just sang the actual barges. That one came from somebody
Kristin Nilsen
that was stuck back there. Yeah, I know. Where did those words come from? Where did they just came right out of my mouth without even thinking about it. And I have to tell you, with barges in particular, I loved it so much, but I was like, why are we singing about barges? And who has barges out their window? It was very confusing for me, but there is a story behind barges, and it can, yeah, this is and this is good. This is a good one. So barges can be traced back to about the 1930s that's when it started appearing in camp song books, and the origin of the song is the stuff of legends. This is what they say, which is, by the way, a great story to share on the campfire. So the lyrics for barges were written by, supposedly, I'm gonna say, so I don't know. I don't know. The lyrics were supposedly written by a young girl who was dying of cancer, and she was inspired by the barges passing on a canal outside her window.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, that's tragic. I know, I
Kristin Nilsen
know, but it does explain why we're talking about barges. Because I was like,
Michelle Newman
what's up? I'm just gonna tell you right now. I'm gonna just go on record as saying I think it's a better campfire story if she wasn't dying of cancer, if she was about to get, like, stabbed by like Bloody Mary, and she looked out the window, and then she saw the barges.
Kristin Nilsen
Barges take me away well, and supposedly she wrote the first two verses and the chorus before dying, and the final verse was written, supposedly as a tribute after her death.
Michelle Newman
Oh, now, every time I hear that, it's just gonna gut punch me. That's so
Kristin Nilsen
sad. I know I'm picturing like, you know, Colin from The Secret Garden, and he's wearing, like his his nightgown, looking out the window at the barges.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Well, it
Carolyn Cochrane
makes for a great story, even if it's not true, it's a great
Kristin Nilsen
campfire story, right? Okay, so then when we go to church camp, the songs are significantly different. There were still some silly songs, but it also got serious at church camp, and the serious songs were deadly serious, not just sentimental, but in tone too, like they were in a minor key, very dramatic. We're talking like god spell and Jesus Christ, superstar. But my favorite is one of the silly songs, do you guys know Rise and shine? Did you guys go to church camp? Oh, we'll learn. Do you know Rise and shine?
Unknown Speaker
Vacation Bible? Okay,
Michelle Newman
I'll join it. Okay. This is another one that, if I know it, these words, yes, they come and fly in the recesses on my body. Okay,
Kristin Nilsen
okay, here's Rise and shine. Rise and shine. Give God your glory,
Unknown Speaker
glory.
Kristin Nilsen
Rise and shine and give God your glory, glory. Do you know the first verse God said to Noah, there's going to be God said to Noah, there's going to be a bloody, bloody get those children out of the muddy, muddy children of the Lord. And there are lots of verses because they have to build an arcy. Archy. Love it, okay? But then there is, here's where it gets a little bit serious. And this is when things got really serious. On my phone call with Colleen, it got very meaningful and expensive because she all she had to do was sing this first line. And when I have sung this first line to other people, they do the same thing, like, oh, and then they start singing along. So do you have to sing this in your very earnest camp counselor voice? Not gonna tell you what it is. I'm just gonna sing the first line, and people out there listening are gonna start singing. It only takes a spark. To get a fire going, and soon all those around can warm up in its glowing that's how it is with God's love, once you experienced it, you spread the love to everyone. You want to pass it on. Carolyn, what's that
Carolyn Cochrane
called? Is it called Spark, or get a spark? I don't know. But we also it's called pass it
Kristin Nilsen
on. Well, you've got to pass it on. How
Carolyn Cochrane
about that? We all that was another one. We redid in the sorority. It was all, yeah, it's all about spurs love because that I just let me disperse
Kristin Nilsen
God's love. Spurs,
Unknown Speaker
love is insane. You spread his
Speaker 2
love to everyone you want to
Carolyn Cochrane
pass it on. As soon as we decided that we were going to be doing this episode on camp songs, I knew immediately that I was going to be chatting with one of my best friends about her camp song memories. So as long as I have known my friend Anne Marie, which is well over 25 years, I have known how much her camp experiences informed and shaped her, and that tradition continued for her as she graduated to camp counselor and then sending her kids to camp and you guys, she even spent a summer with kids in tow, as in, like an adult rec leader at this camp she grew up going to, and she brought her family. Yes, I mean, it was so out there. I can't much a part of who she was. And she is quick to say that her experiences at summer camp are most are some of the most influential in her entire life. So you should not be surprised that she still has her song book. Her favorite songs are contained in the camp Sequoia songbook, and she took some pictures and sent it to me, and it's got to be pretty old, because the lyrics of everything are on a typewriter, and you could tell it's like, mimeographed, Oh, I love and it has in pencil above things like, I guess what chord you'd be playing on a guitar or something. I don't know that stuff because it's musical and whatever, but it that
Kristin Nilsen
is often what camps, Camp song books were. There was no music. It was just chords and lyrics, and then the guitar player is supposed to just know what to do.
Carolyn Cochrane
And she also sang a few to me while we were chatting on the phone, those camp songs weaved their way into her life and the lives of her children, and she told me, and this was so crazy, because this was, like a few weeks before we talked, she said her son recently, just off handedly, shared that she never sang lullabies to them when they were growing up. She just sang camp songs, softly and slowly.
Carolyn Cochrane
Yes, all of those. And I just love that her son, who's now in his, you know, mid 20s, just off handedly, said that,
Unknown Speaker
and I said, oh gosh, we like peanut
Carolyn Cochrane
he's on a date, or he's at something. Someone said, What was your favorite lullaby growing up? And he's, you know, like, on top of a spaghetti Yeah. So my camp experiences all involve the Girl Scouts, either day camps or weekend camp outs. I don't know if you guys remember this, but this was when you'd go with your troop for a couple of nights to a local girl scout camp and stay for the weekend. And these are very memorable for me, because Lillian was the troop leader. So you can only imagine,
Carolyn Cochrane
sorry, you can only guess maybe why those trips were memorable. But much like Kristen you are donning right now, all of my girl scouts troop and my mother and her assistant leader, we all wore our little kerchiefs.
Kristin Nilsen
Is that was a purpose? Yeah, we called it a bandana.
Carolyn Cochrane
I guess I called the thing a bandana. Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, so I have some is it like your uniform or you just know them and not? Okay, here's the kind of thing that I'm just now remembering listeners, like, just now, other cool people in my Girl Scout group probably had what you have on Kristen, like the actual, you know, red bandana, or blue one that you oh no, did you have the Sears one? I think it was even worse than that. I think I had, like, one that was just a triangle with a tie, like it wasn't even a scarf. Oh yeah,
Unknown Speaker
because I'm starting
Carolyn Cochrane
to think that I wasn't cool. I'm sure it came out of my mom's scarf drawer. It wasn't my own. But and I do have some photos at camp with that. If I can find them, I will share those with you. So yes, so Girl Scouts were. Were where I got my camp songs from. And each of those experience, whether the camp outs or the day camps, obviously involved a lot of singing. And on those day camp trips, the daily bus rides back and forth had us singing a lot from like the moment we boarded and we boarded those busses, mind you, with our sit upons my canteen. Remember those Girl Scout canteens and a sack lunch in tow. And then, of course, we boarded them at the end of the day, and at that point, we're sticky and sweaty and smelling of that brown lotion, of that copper tone in the brown oh yeah container, yep. And also coconut, yes. It's just so distinct, and probably like SPF two or something ridiculous after being outside. It was Sunday motion. Yeah, that's exactly right. And if we had learned any new songs that day at camp, those would be the ones that we were belting out. And so I'll share a couple with you, because they're pretty special. I want to ask, Do you guys remember sipping cider through a straw?
Michelle Newman
No, but a lot of people familiar. That sounds familiar.
Carolyn Cochrane
It's one of those repeat ones. So the cutest boy, the cutest
Unknown Speaker
boy I ever saw, I ever saw,
Carolyn Cochrane
I asked him if he'd show me for
Carolyn Cochrane
just Yes, and you go all the way through because, of course, what that's right, you can only imagine what happens when he's teaching you. And then you know your heads might knock, and your cheek to cheek and your jaw to jaw, and if you want to sing it, I actually just discovered that Lisa Loeb, you guys know Lisa Loeb. She has a silly sing along album and sip and cider through a straw is on that album.
Kristin Nilsen
She probably went to camp at the same time we did. She probably isn't she, I think she is. I think she
Speaker 2
is the cutest boy, the cutest boy I ever saw, I ever saw SIP inside, the cutest boy I
Carolyn Cochrane
ever saw. All right, what about Do your ears hang low
Speaker 3
and Do they wobble through and fro? Yes. Can you time in a knot? Time in a knot? Can you tie them in a bow? And
Carolyn Cochrane
it comes awfully handy now when you're of a certain age, because it's like, and I think I've sung this for us before, yeah, do your boobs hang low? Do they wobble to and fro? Can you tie a man or not? You know, not quite whole thing.
Kristin Nilsen
What about and I used to say, I used to say, so wait. Do your ears hang low? Do they wobble to me? Can you tie a minute? Can you throw them over your shoulder? And I would say, like a cotton picking soldier, but I didn't know what a continental soldier was. Can you throw them over your shoulder like a cotton picking soldier that works for the civil I guess sure
Carolyn Cochrane
knows there were cotton picking soldiers. Probably, yeah, sure were okay. What about the more we get together,
Unknown Speaker
we get together.
Unknown Speaker
More we get together that well
Unknown Speaker
and I happier will be. I
Carolyn Cochrane
think we will see this as we my friend, yeah, yeah, okay, as usual, okay, I'm moving on people, but they keep going in different directions. Welcome plumber. Yeah, the
Unknown Speaker
plumber I come to fix the sink,
Carolyn Cochrane
if you know you know listeners, okay. And then one of my favorites, kind of a silly one. But do you guys remember found a peanut? I have that on
Unknown Speaker
my list too. I found a peanut. Found a peanut.
Unknown Speaker
You just found it? Just now?
Michelle Newman
Now, okay, and then it's rotten. And then you ate it anyway. Ate it anyway. Just now, just now.
Kristin Nilsen
Well, and then do we throw up? Then do we barf? You
Carolyn Cochrane
might die, some of the versions you die. And so here's how we know that it is a classic, iconic, popular camp song, because it made its way into an hysterical McSweeney's essay titled found a peanut deconstructing a universal American tragedy by Linda borough, and we will put a link to this in our show notes, as she writes, this song is actually an epic of compulsive risk taking, child neglect, food adulteration, medical malpractice and premature death. And then the essay just goes on to break down all the lyrics of the song and point out things like the saga begins with cunningly deceptive lightness. A child stumbles upon the legume of doom in a circumstance that's commonplace yet heavy with foreboding. So isn't that great?
Michelle Newman
That's so clever. I love it so people that can think of things I know, yeah.
Carolyn Cochrane
So those were just a few of my Girl Scout camp memories. I bet all.
Michelle Newman
All of the songs that came to me instantly when I heard we were doing this episode. You guys will remember Carolyn, especially because these all come from Girl Scout camp. That's the only time I ever went to sleep away camp. I went twice, I believe, I think, once the summer before fourth grade and once the summer before sixth grade. I was part of the Columbia River Girl Scouts. I have to tell you this story, though, because it's such good lore. So when I went to camp in about fourth grade, my sister was, she wasn't like our counselor, but she was like the older girl scout in charge of our tent. My sister remembers, she's like, we had this giant tent, and we had so much when she brought us candy and that was, like contraband, she's packed it. And I totally remember that she got to sleep, like, up on a cot, but we were all like on the ground. Everybody just thought she was the coolest. We had definitely had our moments where we got along great, but for the most part, she like, tormented me and kicked my ass. And exactly how Carolyn, you
Carolyn Cochrane
tormented her in your own way too.
Michelle Newman
Not at all. I was precious, but I remember feeling super like, That's my sister. All the other girls, they loved her, they looked up to her, but this time, when my sister was our like, pseudo counselor, this led to little Michelle, little rule follower, Michelle, getting into one of the most memorable, horrifying, mortifying bits of trouble in my entire young life. So here's the story. So my sister, she signed us up for some outing, but she used like we all used our tent names, we had nicknames, and like I was baby shrimp, and there's someone was rainbow and someone was like tiny minnow. I think Melanie was like big lobster or something. Anyway, Melanie decided, she says, I took y'all out in the wild woods, climbing over boulders, fallen trees, et cetera. We were just doing our own thing and not paying attention. But we did bring snacks with us in our canteens with water. So as Good Girl Scouts, we were prepared. Haha. Apparently, though, while we were out just cavorting in the woods with my sister. They were looking for us, and so we later that night, we're in, like the mess hall. This counselor comes in, I mean, like with clipboard in hand, like blowing the whistle, like to quiet everybody down. It's like, I need baby shrimp,
Carolyn Cochrane
Rainbow,
Michelle Newman
tiny minnow, and we're like, raising our hands, and we're like, sheepishly going, and we had to go into, like, the head counselor's office, and we got in so much trouble. And as punishment, the whole next day, we had to sand all the railings in the camp, and all the other campers were like, walking past us to their like, swimming or to their activities. You guys have to understand how mortified little rule follower Michelle was. My sister says we had much more fun running wild until the hammer came down, but y'all were the best taking the sanding like champs for my disobedience of authority. I began at such a ripe age, which is also very true.
Kristin Nilsen
Well, you just follow the leader. You follow the leader. That's what camp is, rogue. You're gonna go rogue. That's right,
Michelle Newman
I can remember. So do you guys know, like listeners, all of us have spent a lot of times up in like, the woods in Minnesota, Wisconsin and and it doesn't have to be there, but you know that smell of when it's a hot summer day and the smell on the pine needles, and you guys can picture that, or you can, you can smell that right now, to this day, to this day when I smell that I am sanding that that railing, because that's how much this this stuck with me. I also will never forget hearing her Go baby shrimp.
Speaker 4
I have just a picture of what she's like in my head. It's probably
Speaker 3
nothing. And her T shirts really tight. She's got, like, a Bucha whistle.
Michelle Newman
My sister's like, I mean, we got in trouble. And my sister understand, she got in trouble all the time, so this was nothing for her, because she said to me, Oh, she also said, This is why I was such a rule follower, because my sister always broke the rules. I had to, like, keep the boat afloat at home. But she does say, obviously I wasn't supposed to take y'all haha, but you were my minions, and I felt I could do as I pleased with you.
Kristin Nilsen
Wow. Where can I get some of that confidence
Michelle Newman
anyway? Okay, so I want to just go into my songs real quick. Okay, this is my number one favorite, and Girl Scouts, I'm gonna do my hand motions. It's also repeat after me. So you guys can repeat after me if you want. But Girl Scouts, listening, everyone will know this, the princess Pat.
Speaker 5
The Princess Pat lived in a tree. Lived in a tree. She sailed across. She sailed across the seven seas, the seven seas,
Michelle Newman
and she sailed across the channel two and took with her a rica bamboo, a rica bamboo, a rica bamboo. Now, what is that? It's something made by the princess Pat. It's. Red and gold and purple too. That's why it's called Rick a bamboo. And then you get into now Captain Jack had a mighty fine crew, you guys. I love this song. I do not know this song either well. I just learned that it is actually a 1917, North American song popular to sing at campfires, and it began as a military cadence of Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. Now, if you would like to know what Patricia's Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry is, just go to the Googles, because that's not what this episode is about. But apparently it came from that. Can you guys even imagine my delight and the amount of Husker doing that occurred when, after decades of this song, living dormant in my body, I took my older daughter to mom and me Girl Scout camp when she was in Second grade, and the counselor started singing
Unknown Speaker
it.
Speaker 6
My daughter's probably so embarrassed because I was probably singing it
Michelle Newman
so loudly. This was in like 2002 you know? Okay, here's another one. I'm bringing home a baby bumble bee. Won't my mommy be so proud of me? I'm bringing up my baby bumblebee, ouch, it stung me, and then I'm smashing up my baby and then you smash it, and then Ew, it's all over me, and then you're licking up my baby bumblebee, and then you're Oh,
Unknown Speaker
I don't feel so good, and I'm
Unknown Speaker
barfing up my baby.
Michelle Newman
Yeah. And then at the end, you're like, there, I feel better. Love that one. And then I love just a boy and a girl in a little canoe with the moon shining all around. They he paddled and he paddled till the moon grew dim. He said, Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker
Horrible, horrible song, yes, yeah, good. Horrible, oh, God,
Kristin Nilsen
I didn't even notice that. And
Michelle Newman
then I loved The ants go marching one by one. And then I love the sweet and sappy ones, like barges. And I will say that, you know you can say, Oh, our generation know, like you can start singing one of these songs, and we all know it, but I just yesterday looked up at the Girl Scout songbook, and most of these songs are still in it today. So I love that, and going to camp with both of my girls, yeah, like a mommy and me, like three days sleep away camp, and we didn't just kick our seventh our second graders out on their and, but we sang all these songs, and like I said, Yes, I was just as excited for and there were some new ones too, that I don't remember as much now, but,
Kristin Nilsen
but isn't that funny? Because everything changes, everything changes. And this does
Unknown Speaker
not, not this stuff. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker
it because, it's because it works. It's
Unknown Speaker
fulfilling.
Kristin Nilsen
It's fulfilling something, and it's and it's as analog as you can get, and there's no reason to make it any different,
Carolyn Cochrane
right? And it meant something to us. Then it felt good. Then so we it lives in us, I think, in a way, I think so. I'm
Michelle Newman
not kidding, though, this past week, since these have been back at the forefront of my brain when I have been just doing, you know, menial stuff around the house, I'm singing, like, after I smash up the baby bumblebee, what comes next, and then I'll sing the whole thing just on my own.
Carolyn Cochrane
And I loved on threads, we had this question, you know, when we were crowdsourcing, and someone said, Gosh, there's a song. It's just right there. I just know I had to do with, like, killing a bug or something. And then someone else came in and they just said, Oh, that was baby bumblebee. And they
Kristin Nilsen
remember, they put all the lyrics, and then that person who was like, what was it called? And then they're gifted, yes. And they were, and
Carolyn Cochrane
they were like, thank you. It was so great, so universal and timeless. I think are ways we can describe those songs.
Kristin Nilsen
So as Carolyn just said we did crowdsource this. We, as we always do, we asked our listeners and followers on social media about their favorite camp songs. And of course, we heard from everybody, and it was so, so fun. We're finding out from the comments section that people from all over, you know, our listeners are not from one place. They're from all over the nation. And like you said, with that little conversation, like, what was the one about the bumblebee? And then somebody comes in at the lyrics. That person could be from Long Island, and the person who gave the lyrics is from Nevada or something. Yeah, it's so great. And oh, except there's one there, except there's one commenter. This was super funny, Danny derany, who said, Ha whispers from Los Angeles, because no one here went, went to camp, but which I thought was really funny. But listen to this. So my friend Jen, who grew up in LA she did go to camp, and she left us a voicemail. Let's hear what she has to say.
Unknown Speaker
Hi, PCPs, it's Jen.
Speaker 4
I'm calling to tell you about my summer camp, Camp, Hollywoodland. I grew up in Los Angeles. US, and camp Hollywoodland is probably the most la thing about me. Merkel went to the boys camp across the way, and David Hasselhoff was filming Knight Rider there. Once we were on a hike, and he told us to watch out for rattlesnakes. And kit his cool car was there too, and we had a camp theme song that went, stop, look and listen, we are from Hollywood land. Stop, look and listen, we are from Hollywood land, and that's about all I remember about it. But that was our camp, and our big hike was to the Hollywood sign, because we were nestled right behind it. And that's that camp rules. You guys rule too. Bye.
Kristin Nilsen
She literally went to Camp behind the Hollywood
Carolyn Cochrane
sign called Camp Hollywood land.
Michelle Newman
Exactly. I thought she was joking when she said it was camp Hollywood land, I was like, she's being all like, no facetious about
Kristin Nilsen
it. Okay, here's another thing that might not be, oh my god, the Urkel part. I mean, who else can say that they ran into David Hasselhoff at camp and kit and kit, yes, so be careful of the rattlesnakes. Okay, here's something that might not be quite as universal, but it is niche. And so a handful of you are going to think this is super funny. So we got, we got a message from Makeup whisperer, and she said, I went to musical theater camp. Picture, 50 kids with Annie wannabe voices singing, we beseech thee from Godspell, and everybody rejoice from The Wiz Oh my god. And
Michelle Newman
I also feel like that's one of the circles of hell.
Kristin Nilsen
Totally okay, if you guys seen the movie Annie
Michelle Newman
wannabe voices all trying to one up each other. It's like I said earlier, at least in our camps, we were just singing off key. If you sing off key at musical theater camp, you probably were so ridiculed.
Kristin Nilsen
Everybody wants to be Annie. So they're like, get away. Like, they're all like, I'm Annie. Back off.
Michelle Newman
Annie. No, but it's more like this. That's
Unknown Speaker
what.
Carolyn Cochrane
Was there thinking like their parents had told them what great singers they were. And Oh, whatever. And so then you get there, and you're
Kristin Nilsen
gonna be a star. Can you feel a brand new day? Can you feel the brand new day, and you're probably going through camp like this. They're like, I'll skip it. Yeah, just like the Scarecrow and Dorothy. Oh, my God, my God. Come down Kristen, okay, but now the
Michelle Newman
different, all the different little Annie voices singing, let it, let it go from
Kristin Nilsen
Yes, that's today, so, but most of the people in the comments section were all naming songs that we all knew. And sometimes, like Carolyn said, there'd be this, this love fest, when two strangers would say, what was the one about the horse? And someone would say, oh, that's like, they come back with stew ball. That one is stew ball. And then everyone would hug, like big Virtual hugs, yeah. Okay. Then we got a voicemail from my friend Kristen, who just happened to go to the same camp that I did not at the same time, but it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because you all learn the same songs. So Kristen and I can sit around a campfire today, even though we didn't know each other back then at all, and have a sing along and know all the same songs. So let's listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 7
Hi. My name is Kristen and I went to shores of St Andrew bible camp through my Lutheran Church here in Minnesota, and I have two favorite camp songs. I have many, but two of my very favorites are yo Mamadou bueno socks I saw when she took them up, she threw them at the lake, that lake began to quake. A ding dong, dong dong dong, ding dong dunk, dunk dung. A ding dong, Yo Mama, don't win. No socks. Okay, so you get that one that was one of my favorites. And one of my other favorites is I said, I boom chicka boom, chicka boom. I said, I boom chicka boom. I said, a boom chicka boom. I said, a boom chicka rocka chicka rocka chicka boom said, a boom
Unknown Speaker
chicka rocka chicka rocka boom, one more time, one more time, English style, two of my very, very favorites. Now. For those of us who are into the churchy camp, one of my favorites was, I am the resurrection and life.
Unknown Speaker
He who believes in me child of
Unknown Speaker
eternal life.
Carolyn Cochrane
It's church. I think, you know what? I
Michelle Newman
love Kristen's, boom chicka boom. We used to do all the accents, yeah, boom chicka boom, or, like, fancy English lady style, you know, we were so obnoxious. And then you'd go, like, different things. You'd go baby voice, and then you'd say,
Unknown Speaker
or you do it like, you know, monster,
Michelle Newman
and that was the fun of it is, everybody got to shout out, you know. Or, like, tiny, tiny snail voice, you know,
Kristin Nilsen
okay, look at how much fun we're like, grown women, so much fun. I think it's so appropriate that she got cut off because she left a message after she left the voicemail saying, she said, I'm so sorry. I got cut off because I could do this all night long, all night long, but that leads us right into church songs. So she was doing, I am the resurrection and that life, He who believes and he shall have eternal life. It's so dramatic, very dramatic, freaking dramatic. So I already did pass it on. It only takes a spark and that will get everybody going. Of course, the classic church song would be Kumbaya, right? Oh yeah, which apparently I learned is not a real spiritual it's actually written by like a Presbyterian minister, and it's supposed to be, come by here.
Unknown Speaker
Come by here, my Lord, come by here.
Carolyn Cochrane
I did not just hear that. No, we're cutting that out. Nobody will have to know the truth.
Kristin Nilsen
Sorry, Carolyn, sorry to shatter your dreams, your kumbaya dreams. Michael row the boat of shore. A lot of people liked here's a such a 70s one. He's got the whole of it world in his hands. We got the whole world in His hands. We got the whole world in His hands. He's got the whole world in His hands. Little bitty baby in his hands. Oh, my God, I love that one. There are certain songs that you sing at certain times of the day, and so one of them would be, morning has broken. Maybe you sing that when you come to the flag in the morning, right morning has broken, and that was actually a, like a hit song that's on the radio. Yeah, also so very 70s and crabby mom totally who screwed dude me. Crabby mom said, but we always sang the Johnny Appleseed grace before meals. Do you guys know Johnny Appleseed?
Carolyn Cochrane
I might saying it there. It's, oh, the Lord is
Speaker 3
good to me. And so I thank the Lord for giving me the things I need in the apple tree.
Carolyn Cochrane
See, there. Okay, listeners, what? What did you say? What's the last line? See,
Kristin Nilsen
the sun and the rain and the Lord is good
Speaker 3
to me. Some people say the apple tree. Some men say the apple seed. Oh,
Kristin Nilsen
I do not claim to have any knowledge about that. I probably just saying whatever
Carolyn Cochrane
apple tree. But then someone said, Well, it's Johnny Apple Seed. And there can't be a tree before there's a seed.
Kristin Nilsen
What came with the tree came from the seed, from a Johnny Appleseed, or the egg. Who knows? But then you'd really get into the amens, amen, amen, amen, amen, amen, amen, amen, amen. And a lot of people went to a lot of people in our comments went to Jewish summer camps also, and we got one from Shelly. And she said, Okay, where are my people at? Do you remember havanu, shalom, alachem, and this is what that sounds like. It's a good song. It's a good song. Okay, here we go.
Unknown Speaker
Shalom. I
Unknown Speaker
heaven. I love songs like that.
Kristin Nilsen
That's a good song. It's got a good beat, and it's easy to dance
Carolyn Cochrane
to. And guess what? I found it. I did a little research. Yeah, it definitely does have a good beat, and I love the guitar. But I also found the Hebrew lyrics to found a peanut. So, no, yes, I did. I won't even attempt to sing it in Hebrew, but I'm glad to know that if you were at Jewish summer camp, you would, so you probably sing in English. And then here's the Hebrew version, and then you that's a really good exercise.
Michelle Newman
Yes, that's a great way to learn. It's a great way to start learning. True. Singing is a great way to learn any new language. Okay,
Kristin Nilsen
what about songs sung in a round? Did you guys like doing rounds?
Michelle Newman
Loved it, but I wanted to harm all the children who could not sing it in who couldn't do it. Do you know what I mean? I would be like, Oh my God, if you can't get for some reason. I'm thinking Jason Messer was the one that just came to mind that could never get the song in the round. Oh,
Kristin Nilsen
Jason. Hi, Jason. I'm sorry Jason was hard. But my favorite, probably, of the rounds, was make new friends. And that was one that people said a lot in the in the comments. Is there, sure, is there any way we could do a round? Is again, or do we have too much of a lag? We might have too much. We'll have Carolyn. We'll have Carolyn go first. Oh, we could
Michelle Newman
do a three part round. I think we have too much a lag, but let you try it. Well, it would be like you start it,
Kristin Nilsen
yeah, we each get Okay.
Speaker 4
Keep the old Okay. To keep all this in of us trying to figure out for sure, do around
Kristin Nilsen
Carolyn, you start, and then I'll do after keep the old
Carolyn Cochrane
and I have to close my eyes too, because, okay,
Unknown Speaker
Okay, okay,
Carolyn Cochrane
make new friends, but keep the old Man.
Unknown Speaker
Did
Michelle Newman
that I was watching on my screen Kristen's mouth. And instead of, instead of singing with what I was hearing, I was singing with your mouth, so that we sounded the same.
Kristin Nilsen
Very good job. Thank you. Good job. Good job, good job. Here's one that I didn't It's not even in our notes, because I forgot about it until it came to me in the shower. I swear to God, today it came to me in the shower, and that is happiness runs in a circular motion. Love is like a little boat on the sea. Everybody's part of everything. Anyway, you can be happy if you set yourself free. You don't know that one no silence. So cute. And I just again, because I had this, this lightning bolt in the shower, I ran to the Googles to find out, you know, Where is this from? Is this a bluebird song? I know I sang it at Camp chi one, so I know it's a bluebird song, but I just wondered where it came from. It turns out it's called happiness. Runs, parentheses, Pebble and the man. There are tons and tons of verses that I did not know about. It's written by Donovan. What did Donovan do? The yellow banana? Donovan, yeah, okay, she's gonna look it up. So it's written by Donovan, and it was an actual hit that was recorded by somebody named Mary Hopkins for her debut album, which was released in 1969 and produced by Paul McCartney. Well, what? Yes. So there's an actual song. Hold on. I'm gonna, I'm gonna play
Michelle Newman
Donovan. Was like, Mellow Yellow. Mellow Yellow. The witch, yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Hurty Gertie man,
Kristin Nilsen
yes. And so he wrote, happiness runs apparently pebble in the
Unknown Speaker
mountain runs in a circular motion. What is like a little boat upon the sea. Everybody is a part of everything. Anyway. You can have everything if you let yourself be
Kristin Nilsen
okay. And here's another one that I'd never heard of before. This comes again from Shelly, who went to Jewish summer camp and fish heads. People, yeah. Do you know fish heads?
Michelle Newman
Oh. Fish heads, roly poly fish heads. What does it say after that? Fish heads, fish heads, yum, yum, yum. Fish heads, fish heads, roly poly fish heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum. Okay.
Kristin Nilsen
Have you heard this version? Listen to this, you guys. This is drug induced. Fish
Unknown Speaker
heads, fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum.
Unknown Speaker
Fish. Apparently,
Kristin Nilsen
that's actually, it's a DR Demento song. And once I learned that, I was like, Oh, all right, because why are they drink? Why are they singing this drug induced song at camp? Dr Demento makes sense.
Unknown Speaker
In the morning, laughing happy, fish heads. In the evening, floating in the soup.
Kristin Nilsen
Okay? There were so many comments with just lyrics that were just dumb and stupid and senseless. And if you. Never heard of the song. It just sounds drug induced. So many drug induced songs, we could never include them all. They deserve their own songbook. And here's a really good example from our friend Amy Wineland daughters, who wrote a hilarious time travel novel back to her 1970s childhood called you cannot make this up, and we'll put a link to that book in the show notes. But she was a big camper, and she sent us a voicemail. Here's what she said,
Speaker 8
Hello. My name is Amy Wineland daughters. I'm from Tom ball, Texas, and I'm proudly representing camp Olympia in Trinity, Texas. I know a weenie man. He owns a weenie stand. He sells most anything, from hot dogs on down, someday I'll be his wife. I'll be his weenie wife. Oh,
Unknown Speaker
how I love
Carolyn Cochrane
that. Weenie man, weenie man, weenie man, hey, weenie man.
Unknown Speaker
I remember that song. I love
Unknown Speaker
it so much.
Unknown Speaker
Everything from I'll be his weenie white wife.
Carolyn Cochrane
I love that. Weenie man.
Unknown Speaker
Weenie man.
Kristin Nilsen
So much enthusiasm at camp. Like the dullest person is interesting at camp. It's so much fun. We have another speak pipe from somebody who didn't want to leave their name so anonymous, left this voicemail,
Unknown Speaker
underwear,
Speaker 7
underwear. Oh, I hate my itchy wooly underwear. Oh, I wish I'd gotten some made of cotton so I wouldn't be so itchy everywhere. Pvds make me sneeze when the breeze from the trees hits my knees. Oh, I'm so itchy. So gosh darn itchy in my gosh darn bang, bang, wooly underwear.
Kristin Nilsen
Yay. Thank you anonymous. Thank you anonymous. I hope your underwear isn't itchy anymore. Here's a speak vibe from the famous Colleen, the person that I had my one hour long, very expensive, long distance phone call with, and listen to what she had to say.
Speaker 8
Hi, it's Colleen. I went to Camp oduwa in Minnesota in the 1970s and 80s, and I'm going to sing a few songs for you. We're up at Camp Ochoa, the camp of our dreams, where the water just sparkles and glistens and gleams. So come along and join us, for we are never blue. Be a member of our happy laughing crew. Haha. You too, ho, ho. Night round the campfire, we laugh and we sing. Give a cheer for the counselors and let the echoes ring. Give a cheer for the campers, for they are good scouts to be a member of our happy laughing crew. Ha, ha, you too. Ho Huff. Then we also had a song called barges, which many of you might have sung out of my window, looking in the night, I could see the barges flickering light. But one year, when we were like 12, we decided to rewrite the song. We wrote our own version, which, in hindsight, is really, really dark, and it goes like this. Out of my tent flap, looking in the night, I can see the counselor starting to fight silently flows the fist to the face as the blood flows at a rapid pace. Counselor, so I would like to fight with you. I would like to make you black and blue counselors. Okay, no, I can't remember the rest of it, but that's about how it goes. And it was really bad. Oh,
Michelle Newman
man, as very creative and all over. That kind of a song, I would have
Kristin Nilsen
loved it. I know I would have thought it was so like, naughty, so naughty. Okay, listen to this list of songs, camp songs from Peter Paul and Mary. If I had a hammer, Puff the magic dragon, this land is your land, leaving on a jet plane, old stew ball. I mean, they could just all of their albums are basically just coming to the campfire and that's it. You could have a whole category just of Peter Paul and Mary songs. Well, you know
Carolyn Cochrane
what I was thinking, too, those songs of that era that we would hear on the radio, or the Peter Paul and Marys, and all of those type of folk songs just lent themselves to camp songs. I mean that the guitar that was predominant at camp, you know, campfires,
Kristin Nilsen
I'm talking blowing in the wind, the circle game, by Joni Mitchell. You've got a friend, by James Taylor, and I think some
Carolyn Cochrane
of those too were probably you just sat and listened to your cute I mean, I didn't go to camp, so I met, this is my narrative, that you had, like, a really attractive guy and girl, maybe the guy and girl came together at that Joey. Mine was Joe, yeah, and then they just sang. And then you, even if you're seven, you just were like, I want to be them when I grow up. Because. Get a pretty voice, and he had the guitar and the fires like in the distance, and it's what you just aspired to be. I'm
Kristin Nilsen
going to play this next song. This could be one of the songs that we heard the most in our comments. This could be the number one campfire song. Wow.
Unknown Speaker
Almost heaven. West Virginia, Blue Ridge mountain,
Unknown Speaker
Shenandoah
Unknown Speaker
River life is older than the trees, younger than the mountains, growing like a breeze country road. You guys,
Kristin Nilsen
I think we have to hang up now the long distance charges are getting to be too much.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, my God, very expensive. Yes, it's getting very
Kristin Nilsen
expensive. We could do this. Could seriously do this all day long, but I think we need to bring this to a close, and we're gonna do it with Marva land's favorite camp song. When we asked for your favorite camp songs, she said the first one that popped into my head was this, and we would sing it on the last day the counselors would sing it to us, and it was devastating. Michelle, would you like to sing it?
Unknown Speaker
I wanna linger a little longer, my little longer here with you.
Speaker 2
It's such a perfect night. It doesn't seem quite right that it should be my last with you. When come September, I will remember my camping days and friendship true, and as the years roll by, I'll think of you inside. This is good night and not goodbye. I want to linger a little longer, a little longer here with you,
Kristin Nilsen
and then the busses pull away and camp is over. I know. Thank you so much for listening, and we will see you next time.
Carolyn Cochrane
And if you enjoyed this episode half as much as we did, then share it with a friend, maybe an old friend that you went to camp with.
Michelle Newman
And today, we'd like to give a special thank you to some of our supporters on Patreon. Today we are giving a shout out to Gail, Melissa, Elizabeth, Pam, Jennifer, Julie. Melissa, Maria, Darby, Colleen, Stephanie, Mel and Julie.
Kristin Nilsen
In the meantime, let's raise our glasses for a toast to camp chi win and camp arrowhead, Camp arrowhead, Camp Olympia and
Unknown Speaker
camp Hollywood, Camp Hollywood
Speaker 5
land, Camp Hollywoodland. Two good times, two Happy Days,
Carolyn Cochrane
Two Little House on the Prairie. Cheers.
Unknown Speaker
Cheers, the information,
Kristin Nilsen
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Carolyn Cochrane
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