Something Borrowed, Something Blue: TV Weddings of the GenX Era

Michelle Newman 0:00

Welcome to the pop culture Preservation Society, the podcast for people born in the big wheel generation that memorized phone numbers for fun and now can't remember a password without resetting it three times.

Kristin Nilsen 0:11

We believe our Gen X childhoods gave us unforgettable songs, stories, characters and images, and if we don't talk about them, they'll disappear, like Marshall will and Holly on a routine expedition,

Carolyn Cochrane 0:22

and today we'll be saving the love drama and happily ever afters that shaped us, the must see TV weddings where saying I do required a full week of build up three love triangles and a Nielsen ratings record. I'm Carolyn,

Michelle Newman 0:37

I'm Kristin, and I'm Michelle, and we are your pop culture preservationists.

Carolyn Cochrane 0:43

Okay, everybody grab your rice, your Jordan almonds, and maybe even a few tissues, because today at the pop culture Preservation Society, we are dusting off the chiffon, cueing up the organ music, and throwing the bouquet to all the iconic small screen weddings that captured our Gen X hearts. Today's episode was actually inspired by one of the most watched TV moments of our Gen X childhood, the wedding of Rhoda Morgenstern. Over 50 million people tuned in to watch our girl finally say, I do proving that sometimes television weddings can be just as thrilling and heartbreaking as the ones in real life. And when we shared an image of that iconic TV wedding in a recent post, oh my gosh, many of you had some feelings to share. We actually shared that post as a way to crowdsource for today's episode. But so many of you wanted to share moments and memories you had from that episode. And I wanted to see Rhoda, yes, just from that Rhoda one, and and I just wanted to share a couple with you that stood out for me. So our listener, Miss chip Nix, wrote this. She said, in the 70s, I lived in Panama. My dad was an engineer on a hydro electric dam being built on the biono River. I don't know if that's how I pronounce it or not, the bionic River. Yeah, that sounds good. We were living at the damn site, pretty close to the jungle, okay? And she said it was so deathly boring for a teenager, but we were able to get the US forces TV channel, and she and her mom were big fans of Rhoda, while they didn't get to see the episode until 1975 when it did air. She said, Mom and I got dressed up like wedding guests and had tea and fancy sandwiches. And she said, My dad just shook his head

Kristin Nilsen 2:30

for Rhoda.

Carolyn Cochrane 2:31

One of us shared that in I think it was our Mary Tyler Moore episode, maybe, or our Rhoda. Who knows? We've talked about Rhoda Mary a lot our little soul, soul sisters, but that people bought wedding gifts and sent them to CBS Studios. Yes, and you can kind of see how much it affected people. I just

Kristin Nilsen 2:57

love how much of that I wonder is because Rhoda was getting married before Mary. It was so unexpected, and you just thought, well, certainly Mary's gonna get married. I mean, look at her, and she's just the apple of everyone's eye, but poor Rhoda is always second banana, and here she was getting married, and everyone was just so happy for her.

Carolyn Cochrane 3:16

Yes, a couple people even commented they had a crush on Joe. So and she's marrying, so she's marrying, you know, somebody that's kind of little eye candy for some of us. So that's right, that was really special for her. I loved this comment. So Elaine P 5974 this was on threads, and she commented, I was visiting LA and went to CBS Studios and was in the audience and watched the filming. I sat next to Marsha Wallace, like, how on earth can that be? Even a thing like your head would be spinning,

Michelle Newman 3:53

you guys, I if I was her, that would be more special and memorable than my own wedding. Okay, people would be like, what was the best moment of your life watching Rhoda get married in real life with Marsha

Kristin Nilsen 4:10

Wallace, right? Yeah, and when you said that, Carolyn, I stopped for a minute because I was like, Wait, she said she was in LA, but Rhoda got married in New York.

Michelle Newman 4:22

No Kristen, where did you Yeah, where did you send the wedding gifts in the 70s? Because I hope you got the right address.

Kristin Nilsen 4:31

I sent them to Ida Morgenstern in Brooklyn. You figured

Carolyn Cochrane 4:35

there had to be some on site locations for that episode, because she is running through the streets of New York and that epic beginning to, you know, catch the

Kristin Nilsen 4:43

train in the subway tunnel, Phyllis forgot to get her Yeah,

Michelle Newman 4:47

her dress must have been so dirty. Yes,

Carolyn Cochrane 4:51

okay. And I love this comment that go sues left on our post. She said she remembers when Rhoda realized she's going to have to hook it to her way. Wedding, and she kind of wants to hide her dress, so she puts on a white cardigan.

Kristin Nilsen 5:06

That'll do it. Yeah, exactly. That's so Rhoda.

Carolyn Cochrane 5:11

Rhoda's wedding was actually just one of the many ceremonies that we still fondly recall today from soap opera extravaganzas with motorcycles Elizabeth Taylor and eye catches to sitcom nuptials that felt like family reunions, TV weddings of the 70s and 80s weren't just episodes. They were events, right? They were the kind of moments that glued us to the couch, kept us whispering about plot twists on the playground, and even made our parents peek around the corner to see what all the fuss was about.

Kristin Nilsen 5:42

Okay, what was the eye patch? Remind me of the eye patch?

Carolyn Cochrane 5:45

Oh, sorry. Okay, that's a soap wedding, and that would be when patch got married. I mean, it's

Michelle Newman 5:51

right there in the Word.

Kristin Nilsen 5:53

I was thinking. I was picturing Elizabeth Taylor with a patch, and I convinced myself that that was a thing. I was like, Oh, yeah. I think I kind of remember that

Michelle Newman 6:03

dream after one of those college studies in the 80s?

Carolyn Cochrane 6:07

Yeah, I should have read it more like from soap opera extravaganzas with motorcycles. Elizabeth Taylor, comma and eye patches. Yeah? Because patch has this, like one tier that kind of comes down from under the patch.

Kristin Nilsen 6:22

Yeah, you guys, I

Michelle Newman 6:26

love a wedding episode. Love a wedding episode. However, having said that, it very much depended on the show, because, like, if it was a soap opera or a drama, I was also, and this is just in my character, I'm I was very uneasy that something bad or uncomfortably cringy was going to happen, like the old boyfriend would walk in right when the priest says, If anyone knows why this couple shouldn't be married, speak now and you're like so even though I say I love A wedding episode. Also, it seemed like wedding episodes were the most like anxiety ridden for

Carolyn Cochrane 7:07

will they or won't they? True?

Kristin Nilsen 7:09

You point out a big difference between soap opera weddings and sitcom weddings, because I think the soap opera weddings were a plot twist and a cliffhanger, and the sitcom weddings were a time for all of us to get together and love our characters Exactly.

Michelle Newman 7:24

And I think coming up for the rest of this episode, we're going to basically prove that point to be true. And we can all say that little Michelle, that feeling of anxiety wasn't unfounded because of the track history of the shows I watched and the weddings I witnessed. Right?

Carolyn Cochrane 7:40

So for this episode, we crowdsourced, and we asked you guys, what are the memorable TV weddings that stick in your mind? And even though we were going for prime time TV sitcomy, kind of weddings, a lot of you shared those soap opera weddings, and I want you to know that we see you and we hear you. We talked about a lot of these in our previous soap opera episode and our super couple soap couple episode. But just to get it out of the way and let you know that we are covering our bases, I just wrote a little piece of poetry to get the most mentioned soap operas. Give them a little love Okay, and get them out. So here we go, you guys. This is my soap opera wedding poem, kind of like a little countdown. It's nothing fancy, so Gen X's top soap opera, weddings, Steve and Betsy As the World Turns sweet young love, oh how it burns. Vicki in land view veils so wide. One Life to Live gave us bride after bride. Jenny and Greg, Pine Valley, sweet song, their vows felt perfect, though fate did them wrong. Tara and Phil the first AMC flame in wedding day whispers, they carved out their name, Marlena and Roman in Salem's glow, romance and danger soaps, best combo, Erica, Kane Oh, the queen of the isle. Her weddings were endless, each one in style, Victor and Nikki and Jenna was glare Diamond's deception and fabulous hair. Beau and hope a royal wedding. They had the kind of wedding that made Gen X so glad. Luke and Laura, the daytime crown jewel, 20 million tuned in. Now that's pretty cool. The soaps made weddings big bold and true with lace tears and drama just made for you.

Michelle Newman 9:34

Heart, hands. Heart, hands. Well, we're going to share the most mentioned episodes with you today. And I'll start by saying that you can only imagine how elated I was to see this wedding mentioned over and over in our comments. And you know, it gets my vote as the best TV wedding ever. But also I hated it a little bit. Because it was not me marrying Chachi. It was stupid Joanie. Stupid Joanie. I think a lot of you longtime listeners, you know that we have a Bao disclaimer. We stand in our truth, in our love for Chachi and maybe even the Scott Baio of the late 70s, but we don't like him now. Okay, for real, though, you guys, when I watched this wedding yesterday on YouTube and I saw Chachi standing at the front for the very first time in my whole life, my heart didn't catch. My disgust with Scott Baio has finally caught up to my love of Chachi. Isn't that sad?

Kristin Nilsen 10:39

Okay, that's a little sad. It is sad. I'm sorry.

Michelle Newman 10:42

I was kind of like, ooh, and I was like, that made me really sad. Anyway, let's not dwell on that. That's for

Kristin Nilsen 10:48

a different conversation. Growing and changing. You're growing and changing. Our little Michelle is growing up.

Michelle Newman 10:54

Joanie and chachi's wedding was the final episode of Happy Days, and really marked the end of an era. I mean, Richie and Lori Beth even came home for that wedding. And, I mean, it was a long time coming, because Joni and Chachi had been a TV it couple, even though they were on again off again for like, six years. If you remember, Chachi first appears in season five in 1977 and instantly makes Joni his romantic like Mark, even though she is repulsed by him, and then he finally wears her down in, you know, season seven, so it was a lot taller than him at that time. Calls her cupcake. It was really memorable and meaningful to have them get married then on the series finale, because what better occasion to bring everyone together than a wedding, and it really felt like a perfect ending, I think, for everyone. And we can't forget the way that episode ended to Mr. Cunningham's toast, where he breaks the fourth wall for just a hot second and looks right at the camera and says, Thank you all for being a part of our family. And then he looks at the whole cast and he says, like I say at the end of every episode, he says it almost exactly the same way. He goes to happy days. It's really, you know, because he's toasting and it's, it was the perfect way to bring the series to an end, because everybody's gathered at this, really, you know, meaningful ceremony, and everybody's there again, my God. Jenny Piccolo is the bridesmaid with a big old purple satin bow at the back of her head.

Kristin Nilsen 12:25

I had forgotten it was the last episode. I was associating Joanie and Chachi getting married with the show Joanie and Chachi, and that is not true. It is the phenomenon of the show.

Carolyn Cochrane 12:36

It is. And I think I've shared this before with you guys when we've talked about this particular episode, but for me, it marked the end of my childhood, right? Do you remember me saying I just sobbed like uncontrollably. I was a freshman in college. It was finals time. I was studying for some algebra final or something, and emotions were running high, and it just hit me that, like, this, is it? That's Bye, bye. Childhood. This is the real world now. So that episode always hits me a little bit harder than just, oh, this show I love for this long was is now going away. It was, it was a lot.

Michelle Newman 13:14

It was bittersweet though, to the episode, because during that, throughout the whole ceremony, which you know, is only about six minutes, Marion keeps looking at Mr. C and she's crying, but she'll look right at him and she'll DAB her eyes. I mean, she's fully crying, and you know, it was because of, you know, the character is supposed to be, you know, she's very emotional that her daughter's getting married. But also, I think it's really hitting her as Marion Ross when Howard Cunningham, when he gives the toast at the end, also he chokes up. And right, when he says that thank you all for being a part of our family and stuff, he chokes up like he can barely speak. And you know, that's probably really Tom Bosley who's feeling that emotion. And so it's a very sweet episode to re watch. I just

Kristin Nilsen 14:00

got, like, really choked up. It's just so I don't, I didn't. I've not gotten choked up when we've talked about it before. But to not only end the episode surrounded by all of your people, but to do it with a wedding, which is an emotional thing anyway, and to them, it might have been like a symbolic wedding, like a symbol of the kids on the show growing up, and Carolyn, you're growing up, and then we're bringing it all to an end. And I think it's sort of like sometimes we've talked about this before, like the day after the wedding, anybody's wedding, whether you're in it or going to it, can be a real downer, like that part of my life is

Michelle Newman 14:33

over, yeah, well, and actually, the first part of his toast is exactly that Kristen he's talking about. We've raised these kids, and now they're adults, and now we get to see them with people they love, and they're going to then, you know, share these memories with their children. And so there's a lot of kind of double meaning in his entire toast. Really, to be honest,

Kristin Nilsen 14:54

we're getting super serious about Joni and Chachi.

Michelle Newman 14:57

I. Yeah, also, let me just say that back then and again, like yesterday, when I watched it, I did not like Joni stress or her veil, but no, I don't even catty. I think at the time, I didn't like it because I was like, I don't like anything about you because you're not me, or I'm not you, whatever. And then when I watched it again, I was like, Nope, I still have that same opinion. Well, another Happy Days wedding that was mentioned was the one that took place on May 5, 1981 that would have been season eight, Episode 19 as you know, Ron Howard had left Happy Days in 1980 to pursue directing. So they had Richie go to the army. So when Richie and Lori Beth finally get married, the story is that Lori Beth isn't allowed on the army base in Greenland unless she's, like, married or something, unless she's, you know, like, married to one of the soldiers. She's not a wife. Yeah, it's something like that. I'm not entirely sure, but that was in my memory. So they decide to get married over the telephone, with Fonzie standing in as proxy for Richie. And I remember, it's super cute, and I thought that was really sweet. But in my memory, they're in the Cunningham's house, right? Yeah, I think like, he's using, like, the phone on the wall.

Kristin Nilsen 16:10

Yes, yes, yes. It was a wall phone.

Michelle Newman 16:13

It was really cute that they wrote it that way.

Kristin Nilsen 16:15

So many of you shared how much you love the weddings on this. This, I don't know why this surprised me, but it did when you say TV wedding. This is not the first show that comes to my mind, but so many of you piped in with memories of Little House on the Prairie. I just think this is so funny. But it gets even better, because the shocking thing to me is that the wedding people mentioned the most in our comments, Nellie and Percival,

Michelle Newman 16:42

maybe because we were so shocked that Natalie found there's someone,

Kristin Nilsen 16:46

there's so much to that, because the obvious pick is Laura and Almanzo, slash. Almanzo, however you choose to say it, I refuse to say Almanzo, even if that's proper. Laura and Almanzo got married in season seven. But if you guys were like me, this was a very uncomfortable day for you, I was yes. I was not ready for Laura to get married, maybe because she was marrying a full grown man. So I think I was in denial about what was happening, and just kind of looked away. So maybe that's why it wasn't Laura and Almanzo that popped up in people's comments. There's also the wedding of Mary and Adam, which also made me uncomfortable. I think I because I knew they weren't really blind, and the melodrama is just off the charts. It's so it's too much. I could not deal because, if you recall, Mary gets cold feet because she's afraid that they won't be able to raise children safely. But then she overcomes her anxiety and love wins. But then you guys, one red commenter was like, Well, you did leave your baby in a burning building, foreshadowing. Then there's the vow renewal that pa throws to cheer up ma when she thinks she's pregnant, but it's really just menopause, that's right, which is a super loaded, it's a very loaded episode, because all of a sudden Ma is like a broken person, because she can't give life anymore. And she's all worried about PA, because he won't have any more, he won't be able to sire anything anymore, and so she's worried about disappointing him, and she's not really a woman anymore, and he thinks that she is feeling less womanly. So I'm going to prove to her how womanly she is, and let's get married. And it was dumb. And when we talked to Karen Grassley, when we interviewed Karen Grassley, she was like, Yeah, that was dumb. She agreed. She was like, because we thought, Oh, this is great. They're talking about menopause on Little House on the Prairie. She's like, Yeah, through the eyes of men, like, exactly. It turned out good. That's right. One of the writers was currently going through this issue with his wife, and so they wrote it into the script. And she's like, that was his view. He thought that she felt like she wasn't a woman anymore, and the whole siren thing is just so weird. Propagate the earth, right, right? So vow renewal, blah, blah, blah, we didn't like it, but Nelly and Percival now this made sense, because this was an opposites attract scenario that really worked, because Percival allowed Nellie to really be who she was without just removing the dick part like she wasn't a dick all the time. He took away the bite, but he didn't water her down, really. So if you recall, Percival was even was shorter than Nellie, which kind of made it a little comedic. Again, we have opposites attract, and one of the things that Nelly does to win him over is she kind of walks with her knees bent a little bit so she would appear shorter, like this is L hop comedy at its best. And also remember personal Percival was Jewish, again, opposites attract, but and the prairie is all about church and bringing in the sheaves and Reverend Alden. A big red nose. Big, yes, totally Reverend Alden of the big red nose. But also Michael Landon was Jewish, so maybe this is how Michael Landon was married to Little House on the Prairie. See, this is like book club. So Nelly and Percival were married outside on the prairie by doc Baker. And I was like, where's Reverend Alden? I don't understand. And you can hear throughout the whole ceremony. You can hear Mrs. Olson sobbing in the background, yep, just like whoa, like wailing. But Nelly and Percival are so jacked that they don't even notice. She is so excited. They're so excited to be getting married, and Nellie is wearing the biggest bow that has ever been worn on a human head ever in history of television and all of the other weddings outside of this one, they were so melodramatic. Mary's, of course, is the worst. They're like pretending to stare at a spot that's just off center, and then they choke out like, I love you. It's too much. But Nelly and percival's wedding fun, they actually seem like they might run into the house and have sex quickly before the party, and you're like silly kids, good for you. And with the others, I could never have thought about that. I did not want to think about Laura and braids going in the house to have sex with a grown man.

Michelle Newman 21:14

Oh, no. So gross. Well, no, remember by then in that one episode where she meets him, she goes from braids to like a swirly updo in one episode, one episode. Yeah?

Kristin Nilsen 21:24

So she's actually in braids when she meets almonds. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Michelle Newman 21:28

She's little Laura in braids and her little plaid dress, her little Calico dress, yeah? And by the end, she's in the long skirts with the because she says it's because she's once, you know, she needs to look more like a school teacher, that's right, but it's all the swoopy, and I don't care. You can't, you know you you can't put lipstick on a pig. Not just say Laura. Was she? We love Laura. And also, can we all just remember that Melissa Gilbert was also a little creeped out by that whole episode,

Kristin Nilsen 21:56

because she was a child and I we were not ready. We were, let's just say we weren't ready. And it's not because we were attached to Laura in that way. It's because Laura was 15 years old and Alonzo was 82 Yeah, it wasn't believable.

Michelle Newman 22:11

The she writes about this in depth in her first book, Melissa Gilbert's first book. And one of the things that sticks out, I haven't read that book in probably four years. And I just remember when she's talking about the first time they told her she was gonna have a love interest, Laura Ingalls. And she was like, you know, it's gonna be almonds Wilder. And she's like, okay. And when she saw him, when she saw Dean Butler walk in, she was like, Wait, What? What? Like, he's a man. And I remember the way she described it. One of the ways is she said, Here I was this little girl. I hadn't even shaved my legs yet, and I was supposed to be realistically, like with this man.

Kristin Nilsen 22:54

So we were, it's not us, it's not us, it's the situation. The other thing that I did not want to see on the prairie was pregnancy. Do you remember when Nellie was pregnant and she wore, like, a big prairie style tent dress? Like, what do we actually know about maternity fashions in the pioneer days? I don't know. I just think that goes hand in hand with with the wedding. And as I was going through, as I was researching for this, there are all these pictures of Nellie pregnant. I'm like, I'm really happy you and Percival found each other, but I'm not ready to see pioneer pregnancy.

Carolyn Cochrane 23:23

Yeah, that was, that was a far leap for our little brains too. Like Nelly having a baby, and Mrs. Olson being a grandmother, and, yeah, all the things, you know what? There were some other weddings that I don't remember, like the exact details, but when Mr. Edwards gets married, I mean, I was so happy for him. That was a lovely wedding. Yes, it was. I loved that wedding.

Kristin Nilsen 23:46

That's almost in the same category as Nelly and Percival, where they they weren't people you expected to find love, right?

Carolyn Cochrane 23:54

Yes, I loved that one. It

Kristin Nilsen 23:56

wasn't sexy. It wasn't it wasn't sexy. You don't need it to be sexy. No.

Michelle Newman 24:00

Well, this next wedding is going to take some tact and tenderness to talk about, unfortunately, because it currently hits so close to home and doesn't seem as soap opera e as it once did. And this would be dynasty's Season Five finale, cliffhanger known as the Moldavian massacre, which aired on May 18, 1985 and terrorists storm the wedding of Amanda Carrington. That's Blake and Alexis has long lost daughter. She was played by Katherine Oxenberg. I loved her. God. I thought she was beautiful. It's really good. God. I thought she was beautiful. I feel like, in real life, she was like a real princess of some sort, too.

Carolyn Cochrane 24:39

And yes, I think she was married. Yeah, you're right. I think she has some royal blood in her.

Michelle Newman 24:44

And Prince Michael, who is the prince of the fictional country, Moldavia, and the terrorists storm their wedding, and they open fire at the end of the ceremony for what felt like 10 solid minutes. I just want to rewatch it. It's. Only like two I was so uneasy watching this, and then the season ends with pretty much every main character on dynasty lying bloodied and motionless on the church floor. And what I remember when I watched this in 1985 and then when I just watched the clip, and we'll put a clip of this in the Weekly Reader this week. This was a really smart choice by the you know, I don't know if it was a showrunners, the director, whoever, but after all, the gunshots go away, it's silent, and the camera is just panning around all of those main characters, and you're seeing them lying eyes closed, motionless, and then it just fades to black,

Kristin Nilsen 25:43

and they literally stop on each character. Like, yeah, this face, yeah, this face, this face. It was jarring. It's quite jarring, not to mention just the like you said, it felt like it went on for 10 minutes. This was not bang, bang. This was a massacre that went on for minutes and minutes and minutes and minutes it was, I

Michelle Newman 26:02

mean, you do have a little bit of the, you know, the Hollywood aspect to it, because you have, like, you know, the guys, they're like, swinging in on ropes, like, you know, Robin Hood style, like, through the giant church, when are the giant windows of the castle. So they're like, coming through the plate glass windows, you know, shooting as they go. And you even got, like, the palace guards that are wearing, like those gladiator style, like gold helmets with the plume, and one of them even has an eye patch, you know. So it's almost like comical, but then anyway, it it was very traumatic, and I will say it's hard to watch right now because of the state we find ourselves in, in this country and in this world, and so I'm quite certain when I watched it in 1985 I wasn't thinking, Oh, that I feel like that could happen.

Kristin Nilsen 26:51

It was not scary, it was not scary. It was dramatic, but it was far faster, yeah, yeah,

Michelle Newman 26:59

but just wildly memorable, because when you see, you know, you see Alexis, and you see, you know, Crystal and Blake, you see all of them laying there motionless. And you think, who could possibly survive this? Yeah, well, just about everybody, let me tell you, because in September, the sixth season premiere revealed that the only fatalities were Steve carrington's boyfriend, played by Billy Campbell and Jeff colby's girlfriend, Allie McGraw, yeah, none of the apparently dead main cast actually bit the bullet because they all popped up. They were all fine. Contracts had expired, probably, well, I think they did it for cliffhanger and for, you know, ratings and it and it worked, because dynasty never again re attained the ratings it did during that finale. Wow. This show did go on for four more seasons before it concluded in 1989 but that was, that was the ratings juggernaut. And they, they worked it, man. They milked that end and it and it did work. But then, as as it is, all good soap operas, we're live. I'm okay,

Carolyn Cochrane 28:10

that's right, I just grazed graze my elbow

Michelle Newman 28:13

or something. Yeah. So anyway, lots of comments about that Maldivian wedding

Carolyn Cochrane 28:17

as the designated tally counter person of this crowdsourcing that we did, I would say that this wedding, the dynasty one, was the most mentioned of all of them. So yes, people had feelings.

Michelle Newman 28:33

Let's just say the you know, however many minutes leading up to that awful terrorist attack, it is the quintessential fairy tale Princess wedding. I mean, first of all, she couldn't have a swoopier, like bun thing, you know, like we always talk about the swoopy somewhere in time, type bun, the Jane Seymour bun. It couldn't be bigger and poofier. And if you've ever thought of the biggest, most elaborate fairy tale Princess wedding gown you could ever think of, and veils and tulle, multiply it times 50, and that's what Amanda Carrington is wearing. And he's super handsome. He's got the 1985 mullet, you know, like picture, like the John Stamos like mullet, and he's played by Michael para I believe, super handsome. And so, yes, it's in a castle. And so that makes it memorable as well, because it was the most over the top, outrageous Carrington dynasty fairy tale wedding with the most beautiful bride and groom you could ever imagine.

Kristin Nilsen 29:36

That made me think of one that didn't make your poem Carolyn was Nina and Cliff getting married in the castle that was a castle, if you get married in Castle, that's really memorable. But when? But when? When Michelle sent us this clip. She's like, you better watch this before we before we talk about it. It was a really good history lesson for me, because. It made it so much easier to draw a line between then and now. You could put that on TV then, because, like you said, it was far fetched, and that couldn't happen. And it couldn't happen because those kinds of weapons couldn't be purchased by somebody who wasn't in the military. Only military personnel or terrorist groups have those kinds of weapons. So that was never going to happen at a wedding. Well, fast forward to today. Just regular people on the street do have those weapons. They can have those weapons, and they use those weapons to do those things now wherever they want. And so to watch it today, it was such a wake up call to me like, Oh, it is different now. It is really if they could put this on TV back then, that tells you that we didn't have things like this happen back then, right, right? And how close it is the I'm not, I'm not articulating myself very well, but the fear that we have right now is for a reason, and nobody's gonna put that on TV today. Nobody would ever put that on TV today? Well, let's get

Michelle Newman 31:02

back to the weddings. Yeah, please. Oh, my God.

Kristin Nilsen 31:06

Thank you for the history lesson. Michelle is my point. Thank you for the history lesson. She just blew everything up

Michelle Newman 31:11

in my mind. Excuse. Happy to have, happy to have provided it. So it would be

Kristin Nilsen 31:15

an absolute travesty to talk about TV weddings without talking about the Brady brides. I got so ooster Dude researching the Brady brides. But also I got very confused, and I want to see if you guys are confused too. So I thought the Brady brides was a made for TV movie. So then it turns out, no, it was actually a series, and it wasn't called the Brady brides. No, it was called the Brady girls get married. But wait, it turns out that the answer is all of the above. So this is why I'm confused. The Brady girls get married, as it was originally called, was filmed as a made for TV movie, but then they decided to break it up into little half hour segments and air it weekly, and then add more episodes and change the name to the Brady brides. And that aired. That series aired in February, March and April of 1981 it was 10 episodes in total, and then it got the hook. See ya so I think I saw the rerun of the originally filmed, made for TV movie called The Brady brides, and I don't think I saw it until the 90s. Well, that

Michelle Newman 32:28

would have been the Brady girls get married, would have been the movie, right? Yep. I'm very confused. So I feel the same. I feel like I saw a movie of this, and I can picture the husbands and everything, yeah, but I don't remember ever watching it as a series, so you must, I don't know one, yeah, I don't know,

Carolyn Cochrane 32:48

oh, I remember the series, and I remember being so excited, like, sure beyond. And I remember I'm in high school at this point, and so it's, like, probably a little geeky to be excited about the Brady Bunch coming back, everything to me, I cannot begin to tell you. Like, right now I'm remembering the feeling of of this moment of like, oh my gosh, they're coming back, and I'm gonna see how they grew up and what they're doing. And so, I mean, you know, we've got Carolyn, the realtor and and then she's gonna also, like, maybe run for office, and there's like, yeah, anyway, there's a lot of drama, but it was all good. And I loved it. I loved it every moment.

Kristin Nilsen 33:27

It was really fun for us to check in with our old pals, the Bradys, because the movie, the movie part, not the rest of the series, but the movie part of it did feature the entire cast for the first time since the series ended. Because remember the Brady Bunch variety hour featured fake Jan Jerry, whatever her name is, fake Jan. So this is the first time they've all been together in a show, and we get to see what each of the Brady kids has been doing now that they're all grown up. And here's how we find out what each of them is doing. Carolyn has to call each one on the telephone to tell them the big news about the double wedding. So it's like, Bring, bring Hello. Oh, it's Greg, and he's a doctor. Bring, bring Hello. It's Peter, and he's in the Air Force. Bring, bring, oh, Bobby's playing college baseball. Bring, bring Cindy is in college. It's so funny

Michelle Newman 34:21

about cousin Oliver.

Kristin Nilsen 34:23

He wasn't in the show. What he wouldn't have been cute anymore. They're like, get rid of cousin Oliver. So Marcia, as a grown up, is a fashion designer. Jan is a junior architect, and Alice and Sam are married now. That's the wedding episode we all would have liked to see, right? And Carolyn, in a in a sexist trope, is really struggling with empty nest syndrome, so she decides to become a real estate agent, a realtor, because she doesn't have any more PTA meetings, and they're all going to come together for the big double wedding. So in the double wedding episode, Marcia, the fashion designer, is marrying a. Slovenly dude named Wally that she's known for seven days, and Jan is marrying an uptight dude named Philip Covington, the third who also happens to be her professor. So this does not I was gonna say this is wrong. Well, I'm not talking about the professor part, even though, yes, that is wrong, and they wouldn't do that today. But this does not line up with what we know about these characters, it has always bothered me. Marcia, Marcia. Marcia should have married the guy who was the third, somebody the third, and Jan should have gotten the leftovers. That's how this show operates, right? Yeah. So Marsha's wedding dress is very modern and haute couture, because she's a fashion designer, where Jan's is very antiquey and Victorian, and she's got this high collar on that looks like it's very, very itchy. And this is because the wedding episode is all about how they cannot decide between a casual, modern wedding, Marcia or a formal, traditional wedding, Jan so they decide to do the wedding half and half. And in one review, I read this guy says, this is some classic Brady nonsense.

Michelle Newman 36:10

You bring up a really good point. I and I don't know where, I don't know how, I don't know where, I don't know how I saw this so many times. Was it on reruns? How did we was it playing at Nick I don't even know, but I watched this multiple times. It's never once occurred to me until right now, that this doesn't go with their characters, no, and you're so right. It's almost Yeah, like Marsha became this, like, fly by the seat of my pants, spontaneous when we know Marcia was so concerned with the grades and the dotting all her I's and crossing all her T's, she did everything right, yeah. And Jan couldn't get it right. And Jan, as classic Matt middle child, should have been the one that was like rebelling, right? Yes.

Kristin Nilsen 36:57

And the storyline is that Jan and the professor get married, and they come home to tell Mike and Carol and Mike and Carolyn are very upset, because they think that Marcia should be getting married

Michelle Newman 37:08

first, of course, because she order, right? Well, Greg actually should be getting married first.

Kristin Nilsen 37:14

Yeah, that's okay. We should ask Mike and Carolyn about that. And so then that gives that sends Marcia into a shame spiral, and Marsha meets up with slovenly Wally at a cafeteria, and they want to get married. And so it's like, it's like Marcia is trying to keep up with Jan, and so they decide to get married because she feels pressured to keep up with Jan.

Michelle Newman 37:36

This is messing with my head, it really is. And also, every time you say the word Wally, slovenly Wally. I just remember that I thought he he looked like, maybe like he didn't smell good. He just kind of looked like he was like, dirty. I don't know. He just maybe he had Bo and, yeah, I don't know. I just, I didn't like him at all. I didn't like either of them, to be honest with you.

Kristin Nilsen 38:02

No, I didn't like Philip Covington, the third either, and I didn't and Wally didn't seem to fit anybody. It was like they were trying to do square peg round hole. And the remaining episodes of this series were about Marsha and her slovenly husband, and Jan and her uptight husband buying a house together and having conflicts about their either slovenly or uptight ways, and this is so great in one episode, Bob Eubanks guest stars as himself in an episode where the two couples appear on the newlywed game.

Michelle Newman 38:32

Wait, were you able to watch that somewhere?

Kristin Nilsen 38:34

No, because it's an episode. It's not in the movie.

Michelle Newman 38:38

See that episode, and

Kristin Nilsen 38:40

wouldn't that be great? And here's a fun sitcom factoid, you guys. So the Brady girls, like so many sitcom characters, they get married in the Brady house right in front of the Brady stairs. And this is how it's done in a 70s era sitcom

Michelle Newman 38:58

house, in the apartment. Yes, why did they do that?

Kristin Nilsen 39:02

Well, I had to think about that for a minute. And I think it's, I think it's two things, again, I'm just making this up. People. Number one, familiarity. Number two, a built set has a certain lighting to it. And I remember always thinking that it was weird on all my children, like they never went outside. On all my children, I was like, Oh, they're inside shows, and they're outside shows, and the inside shows had different lighting, and so they couldn't mix up with the two and so they wanted something familiar for the viewer. They couldn't mess up the lighting. And also, they didn't want to build a new set.

Michelle Newman 39:33

Yeah, that's what I say. It costs money, yeah, because Johnny and Chachi get married in the backyard, which we've never seen before. It's very tiny. It's like the laundry room door is open and they've stacked wedding gifts upon like it, so that you're like, Okay, it's not just a laundry room. That's where they're keeping the wedding but it's like such a tiny side yard with like, astroturf, basically, yes and astroturf Yeah, and then they've just piped in birdsong. Songs. So it's almost distracting. You just hear bird songs

Kristin Nilsen 40:02

and just so that, so backyard equals astroturf and birdsong. Yeah, it's funny. But think, can you think of any wedding that wasn't in someone's home? Is there a church in a sitcom? Because we're about to talk about a castle, not a castle, yeah, but also not even like a drama. So we're about to talk about one that did take place in a church. Oh, I'm trying to think,

Michelle Newman 40:23

let's think on that. Everyone, yeah, lots of backyards. Send us an email, guys, listeners, yeah? Because right now, I know there's so many of them shouting right now at their listening device, send it to us. We can't hear you, right?

Carolyn Cochrane 40:37

Well, I can't help you out with my wedding that I want to talk about next, because this was a backyard wedding, also a double wedding. And when I saw people mention this, I thought I was the only person that might have had a strong feeling towards this episode, but lots of comments, so I'm justified in putting it here as one of our top episodes that we're going to talk about. It is the Eight is Enough. Double wedding, when David marries Janet and Susan, probably my favorite character, marries Merle the pearl Stockwell, okay, Merle the pearl the baseball player, like kind of a hokey guy from the farm, so cute. Loved him, played by Brian Patrick Clark, who went on to be a really evil guy on General Hospital, by the way. And I never could reconcile those two, because he was so nice, and just Aw shucksy on Eight is Enough, and then he's like a murderer's escape from a sanatorium on General Hospital.

Michelle Newman 41:36

Remember that now I just got this weird, like, little flash thing in my brain that I could picture him on General Hospital. I'm gonna look that up later.

Carolyn Cochrane 41:44

So I just want to remind you guys about this episode, because it was so much like I hopped in a time machine. I talk about this all the time, where it feels like I just got sucked back in time. This episode was that, like I remember specifics of each scene, I kind of remember what they were going to say. Okay, so the episode, it's in season three. I do, I do. I do is the title. It is one of the most memorable episodes of the series. All right, the very beginning, very beginning scene, Nicholas and Tom are washing Abby's car, and Nicholas is just talking about weddings for some reason, and he asks his dad if he's ever if he thinks that Nicholas will ever get married. And he's like, Nicholas, you're too young to think about that. And Nicholas says, well, the other night, when I was spending the night at my friend's Kenny P landers house. Now you guys, when you hear Nicholas say Kenny P Landers, you remember, oh my gosh, yes, that's his friend that he talks about all the time. Never ever see Kenny P Landers. He's never on screen. And when I heard him say that, it was again, like that sucking moment, because I knew it, I was it felt like such a comfort, like you found this doll or toy or something that had been hiding away. Okay, so we've got this episode that we're going to see a double wedding. There's also a subplot. This is the episode you guys when Nancy is a singing telegram person. So this is when she's kind of starting her career, and at first she's only on the phone. That's the only way they'll let her be a singing telegram person, because she doesn't have the chops, she doesn't have the dancing moves and stuff. So Joanie takes it upon herself and Elizabeth to teach Nancy some skills. So we'll see what happens with that a little bit later. But in the beginning, she's just singing into there that iconic telephone in that front hall in the Bradford house. Okay, so after the whole Nicholas and dad talking about weddings, we come back to the episode, and it begins with Merle the pearl sharing with Susan. He has to go on the road with the minor league baseball team that he plays for, and he has to go on the road for a whole month. And guess what? Girlfriends Can't they can't come. She can't go if she's a girlfriend, but she can go if they're married. So guess what? He proposes, and they plan to get married the upcoming weekend, so in like six days, they're going to get married. Okay, meanwhile, we cut to a scene, and it's David and his girlfriend Janet, and guess what? They had broken up, but they've now reunited, and David proposes to Janet, and he says, Let's just elope. And she's like, great, that's great. So they're planning on an elopement. They haven't shared any of their wedding plans yet, but Susan is going to share her so she tells dad, she tells her siblings, and none of them are very excited about it. Dad, especially, you've barely known him, You're too young. This shouldn't happen. And she's really upset with the way everybody is dealing with this. Meanwhile, Merle has asked Nicholas to be his best man. Okay, Nicholas is the only one that's excited, it seems, in the whole class. Plan of the Bradfords and merle's family isn't going to be able to come to the wedding on such short notice because it's harvest season back on the farm. So he needs Nicholas to step up, and Nicholas is all about that. So wedding plans start to get into full swing for this backyard wedding. They've decided Tommy's going to be the photographer. Mary's gonna make a carrot cake. Elizabeth, there's not time for invitation. She's gonna call all of the guests and invite them to the wedding, while everybody is stepping up to the plate. There's also this underlying theme of, should Susan be doing this? She's too young. Kind of comes to a head where Susan and Tom have this big falling out, and she yells at him, and she tells him, I'm gonna elope. We're just eloping. Forget it. Then everybody is all sad. Well, guess what? Now David and Janet think, oh, everyone's so sad. There's not going to be a wedding. Let's not elope. Let's go ahead and we will get married in the backyard of the Bradford house. And everybody can, you know, kick it up a notch, and they all get super excited about Janet and David getting married now in the backyard. Meanwhile, we go to a scene. Merle the pearl and Susan are sitting in a diner on their way to Reno because remember, they're going to elope. Oh, yeah, that's where you go to get married. Yes, exactly. And Susan is kind of a little bit she's kind of sad, because she shares with Merle her dreams about what she had always thought since she was a little girl, that her wedding would look like. And she talks about when she was young, she would go up into the attic and she'd put on her mom's dress and she'd play wedding, and this wasn't going to be it. And Merle senses that sadness in her and says, You know what? We're going to go back the next scene when they ring the doorbell, I don't know why. Yes. And dad answers. And they then explain to him that, yes, they are going to get married now in the backyard. Oh, but what are we going to do? Oh no. And they say, What? Oh no. David and Janet are also getting married in the backyard. How are we going to do this? And dad, he always knows what to say. He said, we're gonna have a double wedding, and everything is solved. Okay, here we go the ceremony. Tommy plays the guitar as Joanie, Mary, Nancy and Elizabeth walk down the aisle as bridesmaids, then Susan and Janet, escorted by their fathers, walk down the aisle as Tommy is playing. Here comes the bride on the guitar. They have their vows. Then it's time for pictures. Remember, Tommy is the official photographer of this event. He's capturing all the moments with a Kodak pocket Instamatic camera. You see all the different characters at the reception, Dr Max. You know the good friend. Dr max. And then you might remember, as I did, Nicholas is like carrying around a tray of finger foods or whatever. And these two little girls are like following him everywhere, and he does that classic Nicholas, like rolling his eyes that page point of these girls, we cut to commercial, we come back. It's the final scene. The wedding couples have gone on their way. The family is just reflecting on how great the day has been. And then all of a sudden, Nancy comes kind of tap dancing, sliding in wearing this shorts and an outfit that looks something like a movie theater Usher would have worn in like the 1940s and she has her hat, and she begins her first live singing telegram gig with David and Janet got married.

Michelle Newman 48:20

That clip of Nancy is so iconic because then it becomes part of the open Yes. Oh yeah, that's right for perpetuity. Yeah, I remember so much about that episode. Some of the little things you were saying were bringing back memories. I love Abby and Tom's wedding a lot too. And I think that one, because it's so first of all, you still get the kind of chaotic Bradfords, you know, running around. They want to throw a, you know, a stack party, they want to throw a bridal shower. They want to but the part, and that's a two part episode, and the part of that one that gets to me is Nicholas and Elizabeth, because Nicholas doesn't get it, and they're walking and he goes, Mom's gonna be sure. Something like, mom's sure gonna be mad when she comes home like, and sees dad married, like, mom's sure gonna be mad when she gets back home and Elizabeth is like, Nicholas, no, mom's Mom's not coming home. And he's like, yes. She is like, don't say that. He's like, really angry. And she's like, mom will always be I'm forgetting now, but something like, mom will always be your mom. And then Nicholas runs like they think. He runs away, doesn't he goes up in a tree, and Tom has to go get him, and so Nicholas is doesn't understand like that, Mom, wait, what? Mom, you can't marry someone else because, mom, everybody's telling us mom will always be our mom, right? But this doesn't make sense to me. But then Elizabeth is also having a really hard time. And then in the second episode, there's a really poignant scene with Abby and Elizabeth, like, sitting on the bed and talking, and Abby basically saying, I'm not going to be your mom, like, maybe I'll just be your good friend, or, you know, whatever. And then, then, of course, it culminates with, you know, the. That's the one that they get married at the church. And the reason I always remember that too, is all the girls are in Peach, of course, like peach, roughly, very 1978 also very 1978 if you said to me, in like, the late 70s, early 80s, Michelle, would you like at your wedding half a million dollars worth of these beautiful flowers, like all kinds of flowers, or this baby's breath, I would have chosen the baby's breath. Baby's breath meant wedding. So in the Abby and Tom's wedding, all the girls have little crowns of baby's breath, which I thought was the best. I love it. And also, in episode two, Tom has his they call it like a stag party. He has his bachelor party, God. And the woman jumps out of the cake, and she's and like, Tom and Dr Max are like, I don't know, they're at like, the VFW lodge or something, and they wheel in a giant cake, and she's like a flapper, and she comes out. And I just will never forget Tom's face. I take off my glasses, she pops out of the cake, and Tom goes, like, you guys, I'm doing the emoji where it's just the round face, totally round mouth, totally round eyes. He just is like, yeah. Also, I was so grossed out by the fact that he was happy. Yeah, that's gross. And then, do you guys remember Abby's bridal shower couldn't have been more opposite. It was like, all these, all the like, 19, late, 1970s women and like, all the rest of the kids are trying to serve all the drinks, and none of them know, like, all the women are ordering, like, greyhounds and screwdrivers and whatever. And all the kids are like, what is this? Even Nicholas is like, what? And then Tommy is like, I got it. But that's a really good two part episode too. So, and that

Kristin Nilsen 51:44

one wasn't a church, it was a church. Yeah, I think I know the reason because I'm a TV I'm a TV person now, because on Eight is Enough. It wasn't a studio audience show. So they did have outdoor scenes, yeah? That wedding inside and outside, yeah? And so they probably didn't have an astroturf backyard wedding. That was a real grass wedding, yes, because if you had a, like, a live audience show, then you had an astroturf backyard, which means you were inside.

Carolyn Cochrane 52:12

Gosh, I I mean you, if listeners, if you just want to feel good, it streams on to be, to be Yeah, from that the first notes of the theme song to the moments that will come back to you, there's some comfort to that show that maybe not even Little House on the Prairie gives me, which is surprising to I think it's my feelings towards Willie Ames, too, at the time, like When you wear those rugby shirt that was so classic. And yeah, I loved Eight is Enough. So I'm glad those weddings got mentioned so that we could talk about them.

Kristin Nilsen 52:47

Isn't it nice when other people are mentioning the things that were important to you, you're like, I'm not the only one.

Carolyn Cochrane 52:52

Yes, that there's someone else who I could say Merle the pearl to, and they would know exactly what I was talking about. Yeah, that just makes me so happy, I wanted to share just a quick list of some of the other weddings that people mentioned as being some of their favorites from the 70s and 80s. And it who screwed dude the heck out of me when I read some of these. Because while obviously they weren't the most memorable to me, because I didn't remember them until I read them, once I thought of them, I was like, of course, of course. And I could even picture stuff. So just a few that people mentioned, there were two from one day at a time. So Barbara Cooper marries mark, and that was a two parter. And I remember loving Valerie bertinelli's dress. Her dress is so classic, and it was just a great wedding. Was it in the apartment? No, I pretty sure theirs was in a church. Now, I didn't rewatch the whole episode. I just like, saw little clips. It was in some building where, or someplace where there was a center aisle, because her dad, the OG dad, came back. Yes, her dad came back and walked her down the aisle. Here are a few of the other ones, Scarecrow and Mrs. King. Oh, funny, morkin, Mindy, Maria and Luis on Sesame Street.

Kristin Nilsen 54:06

Oh, yes, but I was old. I'm pretty sure I was old. I think I was babysitting or something.

Carolyn Cochrane 54:15

Okay, yeah, so maybe obviously young Gen Xer would have remembered this. But yeah, that came up a couple times. Jenny and Lionel on the Jeffersons, Thelma football player on Good Times.

Kristin Nilsen 54:29

Oh, that was one where somebody brought up, like, if Thelma gets married in that apartment, I'm going to be so pissed

Carolyn Cochrane 54:37

Lucy Ewing and Mitch Cooper on Dallas. And then one that we really maybe this needs to be an episode at some time, so we won't go all into where we were when this happened. But definitely was on TV. Was not a sitcom. It was real life. It was July 29 1981 Oh, my goodness. Would be when Princess Diana and Prince Charles.

Kristin Nilsen 55:00

Got, yeah, that's an episode, correct? Is an episode

Carolyn Cochrane 55:03

My mom woke us up? Yeah, I think we all have that memory of where we were and when we woke up and all of that. So listeners, we saw you, we counted those, and we will devote an entire episode to that iconic moment and wedding.

Kristin Nilsen 55:19

Phew, that was iconic. My goodness, do we still have wedding episodes? Is this still a thing? Do they do? Can you think of any contemporary wedding episodes? Well, the office rock your world here. Don't say it's not temporary. It's almost 20 almost 20 years ago, right?

Carolyn Cochrane 55:44

It's a whole different because when I was doing like, the Eight is Enough, trying to find the episodes, and it was like season two, and there were like 20 something episodes like, it was really a long, drawn out season where you could have a wedding and you could build up to it, like we said in some of these shows, but when you got like, six or seven episodes, you don't even have the time to really develop a relationship and devote a whole episode to a wedding kind of a thing. I mean, it's

Kristin Nilsen 56:14

not the event. It would have to be the point of the whole show. When you've only got eight episodes, then the whole premise of your show has to be that somebody meets and gets married, as opposed to it being something that happens within the course of the story of these people exactly, Oh, thank God, we just hit upon something important. This is really interesting. So I think what we're talking about here, I know it sounds fluffy people, but I think it's truly historical in nature. The TV wedding is a pop culture nugget from the pre streaming era, a very specific era, and we are here to preserve it. So what does that say about us? I'm not sure. Maybe that weddings made you a complete person, or when your life began, or that you needed to juice your ratings. I don't know. All I know is that it made for some really memorable TV Thank you so much for listening today, and we will see you next time.

Michelle Newman 57:04

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Carolyn Cochrane 57:46

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Michelle Newman 58:02

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Carolyn Cochrane 58:04

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Michelle Newman 59:00

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Carolyn Cochrane 59:25

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Michelle Newman 59:36

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Kristin Nilsen 59:57

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Michelle Newman 1:00:04

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