PCPS Light: Music & Memories & the Modern World

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You know when it's right. You know when you feel it, baby, you hold it, you hear it, you taste it, it's right. You got the right.

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Surpassing. Is this irrepressibly lovable or surpassably You got the right one baby.

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When I was young, I'd listened to the radio waiting for my favorite songs. When they played out sing alone, it made me smile.

Kristin Nilsen 0:51

Hi everybody. Welcome to another episode of PCPs. Light are light and refreshing episodes. Light on preparation or anything. We'll see what happens. We always just think, like, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Our topic today comes from an article shared by one of our listeners named Donovan, and it's from a writer on sub stack named Ted Goya, and it's called the title of the article is listeners can't remember the names of their favorite songs and artists. And the premise is that research is showing that 16 to 24 year olds, which is that age when music is really most important to you, it kind of becomes the soundtrack of your coming of age, right? Those people are less likely to have discovered an artist they love in the past year, and they are less likely to listen to more music from that artist when they do, and even when they do find a song that they like on Tiktok, which is where they're finding their music, right? They rarely listen to the artist on a streaming music platform, which is how the musicians make a living. They just keep scrolling on Tiktok instead. So this is impacting something really big that we often talk about on this podcast, which is called the reminiscence bump, which is, can you, Michelle, can you remind us? What is the reminiscence bump?

Michelle Newman 2:07

Well, the reminiscence bump again, everyone, here I go. This is just gonna have to just come from my memory. It's when you, there's, do you remember the exact ages that you are when you it's like 14.

Kristin Nilsen 2:22

That is the most. The biggest is 14.

Michelle Newman 2:25

Yeah, age 14. So I, in my memory, the reminiscence bump is when you you're able to recall all those songs that you, that you kind of ingested during those years of your life that like age, like, I would say, like 1314, 15, I know for me, that's definitely when it is really adolescent. And those are the songs that stick with you. Those are the songs that for the rest of your life are going to recall. Not just I remember maybe the artist, the lyrics, but I feel like it's you're also going to remember maybe where you were when you heard it, or you have so many more memories associated with it, a smell, a situation you were in, a person you heard it with. Is that correct at all?

Kristin Nilsen 3:13

Because we're making the science behind it is that that is a time when everything is new, and we're making so many new memories, because we're becoming adults. Once you become adults and all this stuff is old hat, music doesn't stick to you the same way. So this is why everybody thinks that the music from when they were growing up is the best, the best. We all do it because we know every word, every note, we know, every we know, every song that was on the radio, even if we didn't like it because we have memories attached to them. Yeah, for sure, am in essence bump,

Michelle Newman 3:44

and it's the you know, that that that time in your life where you are soaking in everything and music's just hitting you differently. I mean, it's exactly why, to this day, when I hear the opening of the reflex by Duran, Duran, I will be covered in goose bumps and feel like I'm gonna cry, you know, because I have such a memory tied to that song. And, like you said, even songs we don't like, yeah, I definitely have songs that I'm like don't really like it, but you kind of, weirdly do, because you I kind of like that song. But even if you, even if you're like, I don't like it, you weirdly do, because you're tying it to a time in your life that is really important, and

Kristin Nilsen 4:30

you still know every word, oh, yeah, exactly. You know every word of the songs that you don't like because you have such memories attached to them. Yeah. So I just think that this whole article is super disturbing and worrisome for our for our future, for the future of musicians and for the future of those 16 to 24 year olds.

Carolyn Cochrane 4:50

Yeah, it was so depressing when I was reading it, I thought, hey, you know what I'm going to find, all the holes in this. I am going to find the fault in the. These, these conclusions that this essayist was coming up with. And I thought, and I'm going to come prepared to this conversation and to Kristen, I'm going to be like, it is not as doomsday as this guy's making it sound. And you know what? I have a source for this, because my daughter, grace is actually a music business minor at Chapman University. And I thought she is studying this all right now in real time. So I sent her the essay, and I asked her to read it, and then, you know, get back with me with her thoughts, and I'm expecting her to poke holes in so many of again, in his concluding

Kristin Nilsen 5:35

music and music, because grace is a music lover, and she has a lot of she really feels strongly about she knows names and titles, so, like, grace is the person to

Carolyn Cochrane 5:45

ask Yeah, and she's studying it like she is, yeah. She has classes that are about business, music business, and how to get your artists out there. And I was really expecting her as, like I just said, to kind of poke holes in it and to give me all the ammunition I needed to say, Well, Kristen, you might think that, or this guy might think that, but, and so I want to read you my text exchange with her. Oh, yay. I sent it, and I said, Can you read the attached essay and let me know your thoughts. We're recording a short episode tomorrow to discuss, and I'd love to get your take. And I assumed I knew what her take would be, so I send it to her, and this is the first text she sends me back. Well, it made me really sad, but it's true, unfortunately. And then she said, part of my internship is just this posting tiktoks of musicians to get them views and followers. But unfortunately, Tiktok is like the place to get famous now if you're an artist. And then I said, Wow, for some reason I didn't think you'd agree with the article. It's pretty depressing. And she said, Oh, I agree with it a lot, and it's the same way I feel about movies and stuff. Yes. So she recognizes that. I was like, oh, and even, you know, it's this catch 22 because what she's being taught in her internship, and what music business is teaching her in these classes is kind of feeding into what we read in this essay.

Michelle Newman 7:11

Oh, you're right. So she's actually learning how to almost facilitate all the stuff we are horrified by in in this like, for instance, the one thing that stuck with me so much in this article is he had said, so here are the new rules of the game. And it was just number one, and it just simply said, artists no longer exist. Artists now just that word alone, what that word has meant to us in our generation is different, or is it even a word? Now, do you know what I mean? Like, is there a new definition of it? Because they're a new

Kristin Nilsen 7:52

creator, right? They're content creator? Exactly yes, and that is and you don't need, you don't need musicianship to be a content creator. So musicians are being lumped in with Kardashians. Yes, essentially they're the same thing. And the people who could be the most talented might not be the ones with the most followers and the most views. Because really the thing that is most important is that you, you know, fall off a cliff or something like that, you can't just have a good song. And the thing that is the the death now, for the musicians, is that the Tiktok and social media platforms are designed to keep you on the platform. They don't want you to leave and go to Spotify or Apple music or whatever, wherever you listen to your music. And so they're finding that the people who are scrolling, they might find something that they like, but they don't leave Tik Tok. They just stay there and keep scrolling. Oh yeah, I love that song, and then they come across it again. So the artists aren't even if their tiktoks go viral, even if they get a million views, it doesn't mean anything for their career. It gives them exactly zero. But you know, who does make money? The owner of Tiktok, yeah, but the musicians make nothing. So there was an example in the article. I can't remember who it was, but it was a guy whose song went viral, and when I never heard I

Michelle Newman 9:15

can find it, yeah. It was Thomas Hewitt Jones, and he composed a song, billion. Yeah, 8 billion. I was just gonna try to, oh, it was called funny song. I wanted to say his name and the title. In case some of our No, just No, you'll keep going. But just in case the listeners are, like, I actually with 8 billion, we have to assume at least one of our listeners was one of

Kristin Nilsen 9:35

those 8 billion people in the world, and his song, funny song, got 8 billion views. I've never seen it all measures of success that's as successful as you can get. And yet, he created an album. He created more songs and nothing. No one was there for him, because they're just there for Tiktok, oh sure to stream his music. He is. I just left flapping in the wind.

Michelle Newman 10:03

It's think about it, before social media and like, especially YouTube, before Tiktok, right? People were getting famous. What was the Friday? Girl? Remember the Friday? Oh, yeah, Rebecca, something. Here we go. We don't remember, yeah, and it was such a bad song. It was horrible, but yet she became famous or infamous, or whatever you want to say, but let's just say, let's just go back to our generation before social media. To be a known artist, you had to have, I don't know, a song on the radio which was the result of maybe years of work, like being discovered, getting an agent, a label, all these steps, right? So the natural result of that is that the people you are exposed to, the artists you are exposed to, are fewer, right? Because it's a lot of steps and a lot of hard work, but now you can just play your instrument or sing your song or somebody else's song your living room and upload it, and especially if there's some sort of little funny quirk or catch or hook or whatever, you never have to leave your bedroom. Basically, you don't have to go get you don't have to do all these steps that people back in our generation had to do. And you can get hundreds of millions of views. Yeah, and then with one swipe, there's someone new. There's someone new to listen to. And you

Kristin Nilsen 11:25

can't mention there's just gonna, oh, sorry, no, go ahead. Finish.

Michelle Newman 11:28

You can argue that that's great for talented people, maybe like, maybe like, okay, but now talented people have more opportunity to get their stuff out there. But in my opinion, I feel like it's kind of a double edged sword, because I think there's too many talented people and too many untalented ones who are getting famous for the wrong filter.

Kristin Nilsen 11:51

Yeah, and they so they can do this in their living room by themselves and all. It's the hard work of many people that would get people to the top before, including many musicians, very talented musicians, and session people just on, I don't even know what it's called. It's like, a is it a machine? Oh, maybe on their laptop. They're like, I'll grab a trumpet here. I'll grab some piano here. There are no musicians in the room, except for the one dude. So is obsession musician even a thing anymore. Like think of the famous people that were session musicians, yes, and the wreck Kenny Rogers wasn't Kenny Rogers, Michael

Carolyn Cochrane 12:34

McDonald, session artists,

Kristin Nilsen 12:37

all very talented session musicians. And so I don't know that that's even a job anymore. So if you can't, if you can't make money, if you can't get streams, being a working musician by going on your platform, which you're told, you have to have,

Carolyn Cochrane 12:55

the only way do it, and that's the only way you'll get a label or anything, is to have they want to go right to your social media, kind of like, yes, you Kristin as a writer, that's one of the things you know an agent or a publisher wants to know right out of the gate.

Kristin Nilsen 13:09

Do you have a platform? And you're told you have to have a platform. But we, you know, as I just said, social media is designed to keep people on the platform. They don't want you to leave. So no, they're not going to go look you up on Apple Music, or for me, no, they're not going to click the link and go check out my book. So it doesn't really matter how successful I am on social media. It doesn't lead necessarily to sales, because people don't leave the platform. And when they asked when they surveyed these kids, they the people who did leave the platform to go listen on a PLA on Spotify or Apple Music. They admitted, like most of them admitted, that by the time they got there, they couldn't remember the name of the song. They couldn't remember the name of the artist, and that's like a fraction of a second, and they couldn't remember it,

Michelle Newman 14:01

you guys, you know what? Oh, sorry, I was gonna say it's that's very similar to you, equating it to you as an author, yeah, that's very similar to us as a podcast, because our social media platforms are very successful. Have we have 10s of 1000s of followers that love our content on social media. We have the smallest percentage of that, or not the smallest, but a very small percentage of that, actually, then transfer that and listen to us. Now, we have people all the time, and we are promoting our podcast all the time on our platform, right? And then we have people that don't they don't transfer, they love our content, but they either forget to go listen to us. Forget who we are or they, they. There's such a disconnect.

Kristin Nilsen 14:47

There's a disconnect, and now we know it's by design that the social media platforms who are making us believe that we have to be on social media are also keeping us from our main goal, right?

Carolyn Cochrane 14:58

But yes, it's awesome. Because they've Yeah, and you've talked about this a lot, Kristin, I mean, it's a catch 22 you know, we can't not be on social media, right? But yet, we don't agree with what's behind social media, and that you're stuck, yes, and you're stuck an algorithm that no one understands, that that feeds us the content. So, you know, think about when we were growing up, we had to, like, really seek out information and stuff about truly the artists that we followed and that we liked their music. So, you know, much like Michelle, she could probably tell you every Duran, Duran members birthday, we knew what David Cassidy's, you know, pets names were we had posters on our wall. We read liner notes. It was a you

Kristin Nilsen 15:45

waited for The Mike Douglas Show. Yes, you like, flipped through,

Carolyn Cochrane 15:49

you know, the albums at Sam Goody or went to, you know, look for the 45 you bought the magazine. Yes, it was active on our part. We were not passive in this experience. And now you just sit in a chair and move your finger, and that's all you have to do. And so you you're not invested like we were really invested. Yes, there weren't as many artists to choose from, but

Kristin Nilsen 16:14

that's a good thing. Exactly. You're paralyzed with so much choice.

Carolyn Cochrane 16:19

Exactly, exactly, yeah and yeah. So it's really sad. And I don't want to be like, oh, woe is that. You know what was me that this is all in the past, but we're really everybody is missing out that that hunt, that treasure hunt, that listening for it on the radio, and all of that.

Michelle Newman 16:36

Well, no, and how you just said you don't want to be, oh, woe is me. Because just about four minutes ago, I was in my head kind of chuckling about, like, how we sound like a bunch of grandmas, don't we? Like, oh, we hate this progress. But here's the thing different. It doesn't matter, because you've got grace, who is 21 right, right, and she doesn't like what she's reading either, but she's being taught that you can't stop it. You've got to, you've got to just get on board. And you've got to, you've got to keep going. So it is so true that it is we just happen to have read this article about it being used like artists, like musical artists, but it, gosh, it's now really dawning on me that it is so true. It's books, it's podcasts, it's movies, it's everything. It's everything. We can't even remember what we want to watch.

Kristin Nilsen 17:27

No, right? No, I sit there in front of my TV every night, and Mike and I look at each other like

Carolyn Cochrane 17:35

way too much. And you know what's interesting, too. I was just thinking about Grace's little niche in her music business. Minor is fan engagement. That's what she's getting hired for. So she's getting also, it's interesting, they've kind of created a problem that now like they want her to engage with the fan, so that the fan will, in turn, feel seen and go on Apple Music go on Spotify, because they have kind of, you know what we maybe had with a Tiger Beat. So that's what their her little niches is to engage with those fans and more of a human way. But yeah,

Kristin Nilsen 18:13

irony, oh, my god, isn't it?

Michelle Newman 18:15

Wait. So are you saying that, maybe that, maybe this? Are you saying then Carolyn, that maybe this fan engagement that she is, that's her niche, and that she's learning about is maybe going to, like, fix a little bit of this, what we read about, like, maybe it's going to then create listeners who do want to go to Apple Music and download the song. Or is that what they're trying to do with fan engagement is trying to maybe dispel a little bit of this.

Carolyn Cochrane 18:46

But as we've said in this episode and many others, it's not. You don't have control over what these people, these fans are going to see, necessarily. So like this algorithm because of the algorithm, yeah, and so, I think, you know, a lot of the things that grace is also doing, they're trying to do some in real time, like actually go somewhere and have these little mini concerts at like a house, or where they can people can actually be together experience, and have an experience, experiencing this music, and so it's kind of finding these back ways in to get the fans invested in the artist, versus just, you know, scrolling. I mean, that's a cute song. Oh, that's a cute video,

Kristin Nilsen 19:34

analog, way a smaller, less viral analog, way to get fan enjoyment, engagement, right? And enjoyment? Yeah, okay, the

Carolyn Cochrane 19:46

whole experience and yeah, like I gleaned from this article and then doing a little other research that musicians aren't just, I don't want to say in competition, but let's just say that in competition with other musicians. Like, you know, billboards top 20. Oh, I want to be number one. Now they're in competition with just other creators. So it, it's music, but then it's like, oh, I want to go see the people slipping on ice. Where's, where's that account? And then it's like, I said, it's a magician, Carolyn,

Unknown Speaker 20:14

by the way, you know, it's Carolyn,

Carolyn Cochrane 20:18

you know? And it's people reviewing lipsticks. It's just they're not they're competing for our time and our attention, but not just with other musicians, it's with and

Kristin Nilsen 20:32

how do you break through this guy that wrote this article? I just thought this was interesting. He wrote a previous article long ago. Actually, he saw the writing on the wall, and the title of that article was, record labels dig their own grave, and the shovel is called Tiktok. So he's basically saying that a record labels embrace of social media is their demise, and yet, like you said previously, it's there. They're kind of stuck. We're all stuck, and we have a double robbery here. So the first being that musicians can't make a living, and if musicians can't make a living, they won't go into the music business and will be left with content creators instead. So let's just be clear about what that means. No more Prince, no more Bob Dylan, no more Joni Mitchell or nirvana or Whitney Houston or Janet Jackson. It'll just be K Pop demon hunters.

Michelle Newman 21:23

Can I reject? Okay, but just just pause for a second. Could you guys even imagine Prince? If Prince would have thought I have to be the content creator? Hell no. You imagine like I know, every single one of those people you just Yeah, exactly, every single one of those people you just mentioned, who are all, I mean, artists, capital every letter, artists like the most, like quintessential artists. They would never, not one of those people would have had anything to do with content creation. That's right. They would have think of it now, who were down, who we're left with? You're right. We're left with the K Pop people. And let's

Carolyn Cochrane 22:02

just say Michelle that Prince decided, okay, maybe I will go on here. Based on this article, somebody would say, oh, you know that guy, and he sings a song about pink, purple, I'm not sure you know. Like, people wouldn't even know his name if he plays a guitar, I think

Kristin Nilsen 22:25

he'll become an icon. There won't be any icons, or there will be people who are creating the music of Mozart, but nobody will ever know about it.

Michelle Newman 22:35

And you look at people like Taylor Swift, who does have a very, a very big social media presence, but this is someone who was an artist before social media, so we still are, but now those people are gonna, they're, we're gonna just, they're gonna fade out, right? So they've kind of come on. She was also, she was also young at the time when social media happened, so so she's gonna hop on board. But there's a lot of people that aren't.

Kristin Nilsen 23:02

And she has, she has a unique gift in capturing sales that other people don't have. So I'm not sure that we can all use the Taylor Swift model in order to make a living, but the second robbery, then, I think, is the one that applies to us even more, which is that the kids of today won't have any nostalgia. They won't have a song that transports them. They won't have a reminiscence bump. And just this week, if you guys follow me on on Instagram, I have been obnoxiously reposting in stories these, these content creators who are, who are simply reposting snippets of songs from the 80s, and it's like they lived with me. It's like they lived in my head in the 80s. And every song they post literally transports me to another moment in time. I get a physical, visceral reaction, because I can, every time they play a song, I can imagine exactly where I was, who I was with and what I was doing, and it's like a flashback of my adolescent life. It's like joy and gratitude, and truthfully, that's the reminiscence, like relief, like jam, has broken all at once, and these kids won't get that.

Michelle Newman 24:16

Aren't you guys glad that our kids? I feel like my kids do. I mean, now my kids are older, right? They're 24 and 30, so they definitely have the reminiscence, because they didn't have social media, really, at age at that age 14, they definitely have songs that transport them back. All our kids, I think could would do whatever, but I don't know. I would love to know a 14 year old, 15 year old. And actually, I do, I know a girl who just turned 16, a close family friend. I would love to talk with her in about 15 years, and say, Do you have a song or 10 years that transports you back where you can feel what you were feeling, and you can smell smells, and you know who you were with? And. Yeah, all that kind of stuff, because it's yeah, we're talking about, when we say kids listeners, we're talking about, not necessarily. We're not talking about our kids. We're talking about the adolescents, kids today,

Kristin Nilsen 25:11

yeah, and that's why I'm so, you know, I'm not technically a Swifty. I talk about Taylor Swift a lot, and I'm really fascinated with Taylor Swift, and I am and and Yes, life of a showgirl was my number one album according to Apple music this year, mine too. But that being said, I am so grateful for her, because it could be that she's the only thing that will be these kids' kids' nostalgia. This is a cultural moment where those songs will be the only thing that, I mean, tell me otherwise, maybe we're just uninformed, and there's something else that's really big that kids are listening to.

Carolyn Cochrane 25:47

I know we could have said Harry Styles at some point, but again, he he was introduced to this generation when they were a lot younger, and it was one direction. And I guess you could say right now the whole wicked thing, like those songs, they might help so, reference to, but, but, yeah, it's not the same. And I'm afraid it's going to be stuff like, you know, we'll post like, you've been doing Kristen, a video, or a little snippet of a song that reminisce, reminiscence, bump related. And now I'm thinking, you know, they're gonna do the heat, the thing, Charlie Bit My Finger, or whatever, like, it's not gonna be music that is the nostalgia, names or these moments that,

Michelle Newman 26:32

yeah, that went viral, like something that went viral. Because, yes, go back to it. Artists no longer exist. We're content creators. So it's not just the musicians and stuff. It's everything else they're getting in and those things

Kristin Nilsen 26:43

are meaningless. Tiktok, correct? So they don't require deep thinking. They don't bring us together as a community. They don't, you know, they're think about songs from your adolescence that you really clung to because it was helping you through a moment. Oh my gosh, right, you cried to, or songs that you partied to, or songs that you know all of your friends jumped up and down to, those are all really important to meaningful things. A meme is not, not exactly

Carolyn Cochrane 27:10

it's, we're not required to think which I would say that's what people ultimately want.

Michelle Newman 27:16

I know it's the reminiscence bumps and you know, you science says it's age 14. But you guys, I was probably four years old, and I would cry listening to the song, precious and few but climax, and I still have my 45 is right behind me right now. If you guys see that little 45 on my shelf and it's cracked the whole the whole 45 is cracked, but I still own it, and it's back there. And that song, I have it on playlist because when I play it, I get that twisty feeling. I get that choked up feeling. I love that song so much, and that harks back, harkens, harkens back all the way to being, yeah, like five years old radio or something. You didn't know why you were crying. You had no idea, no idea, but the music was touching you, and you also only got to hear it a few times on the radio. And then I probably, I don't know that I had that 45 when I was five years old. I probably got it later, because I probably was in a record store as you were, and I probably saw it as I was flipping through. I mean, I had it since I was really little. It wasn't like I was a teenager and bought it, but, or maybe someone gave it to me, I don't know, but you you have these moments and these memories that even being, you know, decades later, you are just whisked right back to, yeah, a lot of

Carolyn Cochrane 28:32

those too, as you say that Michelle, are kind of shared with my parents. It was like, you know, their music was just around. We've talked about that kind of in our DNA, so we know all the words to, you know, precious and few, or some Barbra Streisand songs that we wouldn't necessarily have even been on the radio at that point, or whatever. But it was, again, this communal experience that takes us somewhere when we hear some of these songs, like, you know, Jim neighbor's Christmas album. I I'm somewhere, you know, my parents played it, and, yeah, and just to think, like, there's not that those experiences I'm guilty of. It, like I'll have my AirPods in or whatever, and I'm listening to the Christmas music I like, and grace might be up in her room listening the stuff she likes, and we're not experiencing it together.

Kristin Nilsen 29:21

And what so what will remind what will remind her in the future of her, what does the song will make her cry because it was her mom's favorite song? We won't know like she there's nothing that will remind us, I should say them. There's nothing that will remind them of their parents or their

Michelle Newman 29:39

families or their brother. Yeah, I bet there will be. I mean, I'm happy to report that my 30 year old and her Spotify wrap up or whatever, she's still carpenters always make it because she

Kristin Nilsen 29:53

is lead your music. Oh, you're talking, oh, again, you're talking about children. Days, children won't have. Of the songs of their parents. And I've told you about when I told I was visiting my brother in Los Angeles, and I asked I wanted to go see Andy Gibbs grave. And he starts, he's like, love is higher than a night and love is thicker than water. He knew all the words because he heard that coming from the my bedroom, and so then that music becomes meaningful to him because it reminds him of his sister and his growing up and his family, even though he wouldn't have picked Andy Gibb but it becomes important. So it's like as we pipe the music into our ears, we become separated from each other and isolated from each other, and our nostalgia again, is robbed

Michelle Newman 30:43

well, and also because of losing it right now, Carolyn has her head in her hands. Silver lining. I'm looking at my I know we're gonna need to end this on a happy note. I just wanted to say it's also because of the the the attention span of a gnat that today's generation, today's kids have, they would not have the patient. And because of the accessibility to things like air pods and whatever, we didn't have accessibility to that. I mean, we might have had a Walkman, if we were lucky, that you could plug into but I don't know about you guys, but my mom would have been like, don't walk around the house with that, those things on your ears. Yeah. So, so what I'm saying is, like, because of the the attention span, because of the accessibility to air pods and whatever, they aren't listening. No one today is listening to the same music their mom the and, you know, mom and dad today, they're not going to have probably, yeah, Barbara Streisand on the turntable. Anne Marie on the turntable while, while the kids upstairs, cleaning her room. And, yeah, maybe I would shut my door. I don't know. It's just, it's, it's all different. And again, I feel like I'm there. I'm the grandma right now. Yeah, progress.

Carolyn Cochrane 31:53

But I think there's science and there's data that supports us now. It's not like us just looking back with rose colored glasses. There's, yeah, they're actual studies. And I think it was Australia, somebody just some country just passed. Yes, Australia did it. Okay, law. What was it like? Social media

Kristin Nilsen 32:11

is not allowed for children under the age of 16. It is banned for those under 16 years old.

Carolyn Cochrane 32:17

Yes, I don't know.

Michelle Newman 32:20

That's where I want to go. No, Australia, Australia, I know. But I said, like Australia, New Zealand, all these there's like, a handful of countries that I need. I would like to actually want to escape to. Those are, yeah, I want to live there and like, something that we can do.

Kristin Nilsen 32:34

And I think that we number one. I deleted social media off of my phone today. It's not doesn't mean that I'm off of Instagram, and it doesn't mean that I won't enjoy Instagram, but it's going to be when I go to my desktop. That's how I will be enjoying social media from now on. It's just something to be it's we can all be more mindful about how we use it. It doesn't mean that we can't use it, and hopefully we can spread that word to others. And I think this conversation that we just had about families separating from each other, if we can spread that word to families with children and say, if you want to be closer to your children, play the music out loud. Play your music for the family. Have your give your kids a turntable, give your kids a CD player or a tape deck so that you can hear what they're listening to. Also, because I'm I'm also not at all privy to what Liam is listening to, because he only puts it in his ears, and I did when he was a kid, when he was listening to journey and Van Halen. But not anymore. Not anymore. So the guy who wrote the anxious generation is certain that we can turn this ship around, but it's going to take all of society agreeing that we can do it together. We can't just let social media be the boss. We are the boss, right? We're the boss. We get to decide.

Carolyn Cochrane 33:56

Kristen's the boss, everybody, I'm the boss. She's

Kristin Nilsen 34:00

my boss, that's for sure. Okay, so with that, let's just we're handing it over to you. How does this make you feel, and what actions will you take today to provide our future generations with nostalgia that we so love, that is our that is our message

Michelle Newman 34:17

to you. I would love to hear from you about this. Send us an email at hello@poppreservationists.com or shoot us a DM on social media. Just kidding, because there's the double edged sword for us too. We like to provide joyful moments in people's Doom scrolling. We really do. And so for me especially, I can't delete it off my phone because I'm kind of the, you know, the captain of that shop. That's right. But at the same time, I don't ever feel bad about that, because we are providing a soft place for people to land at the pop culture Preservation Society with our conversations and with our social media. But but for real listeners, we'd love to know your opinion on this, your take on this, or maybe your ideas. So contact us any way you want. To but let us know, and maybe we'll share a letter Yes, yes, and we'll, you know what we'll do. We'll share it in the Weekly Reader.

Kristin Nilsen 35:11

That's what we'll do. Thank you so much for listening today. In the meantime, let's raise our glasses for a toast courtesy of the cast of Three's Company, two good times, two Happy

Carolyn Cochrane 35:23

Days, Two Little House on the Prairie.

Kristin Nilsen 35:26

Cheers, cheers, delete Instagram.

Unknown Speaker 35:30

When I was young, I'd listen to the radio waiting for my favorite

Speaker 2 35:42

song when they played, I'd sing along. It made me smile. Those were such happy times, and not so long ago, how I wondered whether the

Kristin Nilsen 36:16

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